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April 27 2015 @ 03:34 pm
112: "Lallybroch" Discussion Post  
All book talk that doesn't pertain to the episodes we've seen is a SPOILER.
Please use the SPOILER cut below.

I started thinking with the last episode how we seem to hear from a lot of the Book Fans and thought maybe in each post we need to have some TV Fan questions and some Book Fan questions, which is not to say Book Fans cannot answer the TV Fan questions but maybe we can get some more interactions with the TV Fans who I really want to hear reactions from.

Recap:
Jamie and Claire come home to Lallybroch where Jamie is confronted with bad memories and the belief his sister Jenny has had Randall’s bastard child. Jenny is welcoming until Jamie reveals his misguided beliefs. The dander of these two Frasers is up and they continue to dig at each other as Jamie works to find a way to fill his father’s shoes (and coat). Claire is not only feeling her way through the 18th century but what it means to be an 18th century Laird’s Lady. Jamie bungles a few things with the running of the estate and it isn’t until Claire scolds Jamie for his childish behavior that Jamie realizes he’s not doing what he should be but what he thinks he should be. Jenny and Jamie make amends while Ian and Claire bond over being married to stubborn Frasers. Jamie and Claire declare their love for one another and everything seems to be going well until The Watch appears ready to shoot Jamie should he fight them.

TV Fan Discussion Points:

  1. What did you think of Jenny and Jamie's relationship? Like or dislike Jenny?

  2. What did you think of Jenny's recount of her encounter with Randall?

  3. Did you noticed that one of the tenants gave Claire that vase she'd been seeking since Sassenach (episode 1)?

  4. What did you think of Jamie's "protrayal" of a Laird, his wearing his father's coat while doing it, and what Claire had to say to him about his actions?

  5. What did you think about the revelation of Randall's attentions towards Jamie and the flogging leading to the death of Brian Fraser?

  6. Did you find the episode too fast paced? Or did the episode move along just right for you?

  7. Jenny tells us none of the tenants would turn Jamie into the Red Coats and yet at the end of the episode we see Jamie being held a gun point. Any guesses what that is about?

  8. I need a good Gaelic explicative for Jamie (Sam) being so VISIBLE in the mill pond. Wow!

Copy Questions to Answer...

Book Fan Discussion Points:
[BOOK FAN QUESTIONS (SPOILERS)]

  1. What did you think of the interactions of Jenny and Jamie as opposed to the book?

  2. Do you like or dislike Jenny overall in the series and how did you feel about her in the episode?

  3. I believe Jenny's recount of her interactions with Randall is very similar to the book but I'm wondering if there is something that just strikes you as off about that scene or if you were pleased with it?

  4. I loved the connection of the vase the tenant gave Claire and the vase she wanted in the first episode. What did you think of Claire hanging back in these encounters?

  5. Did you think Jamie "acting the Laird" felt a little like him playing at being his father? Do you think that has anything to do with losing his father and not really feeling the mantle of Laird was meant for him but instead his brother Willie?

  6. So we were all right and the man behind Dougal back in The Garrison Commander was Brian Fraser. What did you think of this quick bit from the book? Randall's proposition?

  7. Do you feel like the second half of the season/this episode is going through events too quickly or do you think it is playing out just right?

  8. What did you think of the Next Week On Outlander? This episode seem to be the biggest deviation from the book.

  9. I need a good Gaelic explicative for Jamie (Sam) being so VISIBLE in the mill pond. Wow!


Copy Questions to Answer (includes spoiler cut)...

Feel free to pose anything else you wish to discuss from this episode or previous episodes. No spoilers please!

Noteworthy:
So I’m wondering if you like that I do a recap of the episode or would prefer I do more of a review. I mean I could give my opinion of the episode rather than making it a comment but I don’t know if that matters or the recap works well for it.

I hope everyone is enjoying the discussions. You opinions are always welcome and remember just because we disagree doesn't mean we don't love talking about it!

A few contests to enter to win a trip to Scotland:Amazon seems to already be on the Outlander band wagon. You can go HERE to see information on the second half of the season as they already have it listed for pre-orders.

Lallybroch Video Playlist:
Any behind the scenes footage will be added to this playlist.


Next Week On Outlander:


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Kaylee Winchester: Outlander-Claireroguem on April 28th, 2015 12:17 pm (UTC)
TV1. What did you think of Jenny and Jamie's relationship? Like or dislike Jenny?
I love Jenny, but I felt the added conflict to these scenes were a bit much. They're siblings who haven't seen each other in over 4 years, so I feel it's weird that they're so angry with eachother once the main argument is over.

TV2. What did you think of Jenny's recount of her encounter with Randall?
I always find things like that difficult to watch.

TV3. Did you noticed that one of the tenants gave Claire that vase she'd been seeking since Sassenach (episode 1)?
No, I didn't. Will keep an eye out when I rewatch with my friend.

TV4. What did you think of Jamie's "protrayal" of a Laird, his wearing his father's coat while doing it, and what Claire had to say to him about his actions?
I felt Jamie came across as kind of spoiled and entitled in this episode, and I didn't care for it. It was so out of character for him.
[Spoiler (click to open)]In the book he and Ian work together and Ian and Jenny help ease him into the role as laird and take time to welcome Claire and help her fill her role as well, and I really feel they should have stuck with that.

TV5. What did you think about the revelation of Randall's attentions towards Jamie and the flogging leading to the death of Brian Fraser?
It's been hinted at for a while I think, that Jack is focused on Jamie, so it wasn't that shocking to me.

TV6. Did you find the episode too fast paced? Or did the episode move along just right for you?
It moved along nicely, I just wish they'd stayed closer to the book as I felt this was a missed opportunity to slow down and let Jamie and Claire ease in to their new roles and for the audience and Claire to get to know Ian and Jenny. I actually wanted this episode to be slower.

TV7. Jenny tells us none of the tenants would turn Jamie into the Red Coats and yet at the end of the episode we see Jamie being held a gun point. Any guesses what that is about?
There are bandits about the highlands, as well as Redcoats and the watch, so I'm guessing it has some ties with one of those.

TV8. I need a good Gaelic explicative for Jamie (Sam) being so VISIBLE in the mill pond. Wow! Nice, but yeah I'm surprised he wasn't spotted.
Jill aka Josireesanwar on April 28th, 2015 06:54 pm (UTC)
I love Jenny, but I felt the added conflict to these scenes were a bit much. They're siblings who haven't seen each other in over 4 years, so I feel it's weird that they're so angry with eachother once the main argument is over.
After Jamie's initial reaction I think it is so real. I mean I see your point but I know with my siblings we'd be so mad at each other until some kind of tension finally broke.

I always find things like that difficult to watch.
Me too. But I loved that Jenny laughed at Randall.

No, I didn't. Will keep an eye out when I rewatch with my friend.
I like how they went back to the beginning of the show with that. Claire's gotten what she wanted but not until she made the decision to stay with Jamie.

I felt Jamie came across as kind of spoiled and entitled in this episode, and I didn't care for it. It was so out of character for him.
I feel like Jamie was playing Laird here. Like he thought he knew what his father would do and had no clear clue about the truth of it. I love Claire basically telling him to stop being an ass and just be who he is. So good.


It's been hinted at for a while I think, that Jack is focused on Jamie, so it wasn't that shocking to me.
So many people didn't even realize this is where it was going. But yeah... already knew.

It moved along nicely, I just wish they'd stayed closer to the book as I felt this was a missed opportunity to slow down and let Jamie and Claire ease in to their new roles and for the audience and Claire to get to know Ian and Jenny. I actually wanted this episode to be slower.
Same here. I think it moved along just fine but it does seem that they are shortening the time at Lallybroch so they could develop Jamie and Claire's relationship a bit more. So we lose the whole Jenny and Claire getting to know one another and Ian and Jamie kicking around together.

There are bandits about the highlands, as well as Redcoats and the watch, so I'm guessing it has some ties with one of those.
Quite true and the bandit idea is leant more for the fact they aren't in Red Coats but we did see that "Watch" earlier in the season which basically seemed like bandits to me. Anyways, I'm curious how this is all going to go down.

Nice, but yeah I'm surprised he wasn't spotted.
I'm going to say a Mill Pond is murky otherwise he totally would have been spotted.
Kaylee Winchester: Tangled Lightsroguem on May 6th, 2015 12:04 pm (UTC)
I see your point about sibling, but after believing her brother had been dead for 4 years her attitude is rather harsh.

Rewatched the episode and noticed the vase, Claire was so focused on it, it was a sweet moment.

He was playing the Laird. I liked the scene where Claire was telling him off, but I just didn't care for the reason behind it.

The mill pond did look rather murky.

Edited at 2015-05-07 12:07 pm (UTC)
Jill aka Josireesanwar on May 7th, 2015 07:34 pm (UTC)
It is a little harsh but I think they were also trying to convey that the Fraser's are stubborn mules. LOL Maybe that didn't come off really well.

I loved that moment. It was so great. There are all these little nods to previous things and I barely notice half of them.

Fair enough. I know a lot of fans thought Jamie wouldn't have acted that way but I felt like it was more real. I don't like when they make Jamie absolutely perfect so in this it worked for me.

Yes, which was such a bummer WE couldn't see more Jamie.
Jill aka Jo: Outlander: Claire Bottoms Upsireesanwar on April 28th, 2015 07:03 pm (UTC)
SPOILERS AHEAD... Book Fan Questions...
[Spoiler (click to open)]B1. What did you think of the interactions of Jenny and Jamie as opposed to the book?
I loved Jenny and Jamie's argument. At first, it is all happiness because he's home and then he puts his foot in his mouth and I see why all the tension. I mean wow Jamie. Being a brat brother.

B2. Do you like or dislike Jenny overall in the series and how did you feel about her in the episode?
I really wasn't liking Jenny until she came running to save Jamie at the Mill Pond. There are other things in the books later that make me hate her again though not like I hate Laoghaire.

B3. I believe Jenny's recount of her interactions with Randall is very similar to the book but I'm wondering if there is something that just strikes you as off about that scene or if you were pleased with it?
I felt like it was off because it was so weird to watch her laugh in that situation. I mean it was dead on the books but the laughing just seemed odd to me. But still a great scene.

B4. I loved the connection of the vase the tenant gave Claire and the vase she wanted in the first episode. What did you think of Claire hanging back in these encounters?
OMG. I love the writers here. What a way to connect what Claire wanted in the beginning with the decision she made to stay!

B5. Did you think Jamie "acting the Laird" felt a little like him playing at being his father? Do you think that has anything to do with losing his father and not really feeling the mantle of Laird was meant for him but instead his brother Willie?
Oh my I thought he was totally being a little boy pretending to be his father! I mean he's even dressed the part, wearing Brian's coat and he's trying to be the Laird everyone likes while Ian is giving him these looks like "Really Jamie?" And you can see Jenny thinking... my brother is an idiot. And even Claire is not impressed though she's trying to be supportive.

B6. So we were all right and the man behind Dougal back in The Garrison Commander was Brian Fraser. What did you think of this quick bit from the book? Randall's proposition?
Disgusts me even more but I know he can't take no for an answer. I mean the contrast between him and Lord John is just so huge.

B7. Do you feel like the second half of the season/this episode is going through events too quickly or do you think it is playing out just right?
I kind of feel like these scenes are going too fast because they spent so much time developing Jamie and Claire's relationship. I get it but I'm afraid we are going to gloss over important things.

B8. What did you think of the Next Week On Outlander? This episode seem to be the biggest deviation from the book.
I mean we know the Watch takes up Jamie because of McNab but I fear they are going to basically recruit him and Ian for a time which seems odd but I'm curious to see what they do with it.


None spoilery questions...

How did you all feel about the boy Rabbie and his father? Jamie's take on it? How he dealt with it?

I was pleased with seeing him do something but I really think there is a contrast here with the spanking scene.

Jamie sees what he was required to do with Claire and what McNab is doing to his son as totally different. I think Jamie thinks a spanking is one thing but to really beat on someone is totally wrong.

Anyone?

Edited at 2015-04-28 07:05 pm (UTC)
Jo Annyeuxdebleu on May 1st, 2015 12:42 am (UTC)
TV1. What did you think of Jenny and Jamie's relationship? Like or dislike Jenny?

It seemed very true to the book and I LOVED Laura Donnelly's Jenny. I thought she was perfect.

TV2. What did you think of Jenny's recount of her encounter with Randall?

Very well done. Pretty brave of Tobias to show all.

TV3. Did you noticed that one of the tenants gave Claire that vase she'd been seeking since Sassenach (episode 1)?

Oh yes. Now she has a home in which to keep it...the reason she didn't buy the vase in the window in episode one.

TV4. What did you think of Jamie's "portrayal" of a Laird, his wearing his father's coat while doing it, and what Claire had to say to him about his actions?

Well, I can't blame Jamie because he didn't really know how to be the Laird. He left Lollybroch as a child and didn't see much of his father in action. I thought Claire was spot on the way she straightened Jamie out.

TV5. What did you think about the revelation of Randall's attentions towards Jamie and the flogging leading to the death of Brian Fraser?

TV6. Did you find the episode too fast paced? Or did the episode move along just right for you?

As usual, there were lots of things left out that I'd have liked to seen, but I thought it was well adapted.

TV7. Jenny tells us none of the tenants would turn Jamie into the Red Coats and yet at the end of the episode we see Jamie being held a gun point. Any guesses what that is about?

TV8. I need a good Gaelic explicative for Jamie (Sam) being so VISIBLE in the mill pond. Wow!

It's not exactly an explicative, but rather the equivalent of our OMG! A Dhia!
Jill aka Jo: Outlander: Beauchampsireesanwar on May 7th, 2015 07:38 pm (UTC)
Laura is an amazing Jenny. I think I've taken to her as the character she's portraying quicker than anyone else. About a second into her dialogue I forgot she was Laura and kept thinking... she's just Jenny.

I loved that vase scene and it just brought everything home.

OMG, Jamie "acting" the laird was hard for me to watch but I thought it was awesome because it showed him as a flawed human. I also adored the way Claire told him what was what. I liked the look on his face when he realized how right she was.

A Dhia! I used it in the next discussion post which you may have seen. Thanks for that.
Jo Ann: Out: J above C kissing heryeuxdebleu on May 11th, 2015 02:12 am (UTC)
Laura is an amazing Jenny. I think I've taken to her as the character she's portraying quicker than anyone else. About a second into her dialogue I forgot she was Laura and kept thinking... she's just Jenny.

I agree 100%.

I'm curious to see your thoughts on "The Search." I thought it dragged terribly, but it had some good moments. No Jamie was a bummer, but I'm sure Sam liked the break. He'll make up for it next week, that's for sure.
Jill aka Josireesanwar on May 11th, 2015 09:57 pm (UTC)
I'm going to get to this. Vacation has put me terribly behind in everything so I'm playing catchup with Outlander and life. *sigh*

I thought it dragged too. I found it funny... but yeah it dragged.