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July 25 2017 @ 08:54 am
Game of Thrones general discussion: S07 E02  
Summary: Dany is meeting with her allies -- Olenna of House Tyrell and Ellaria of Dorne -- and explaining her plan of attack. Westerosi armies will lay siege to King's Landing, while Dany's Unsullied and Dothraki troops will attack Casterly Rock -- the real seat of Lannister power. Her allies agree -- reluctantly, and it's clear that Dany's allies are more interested in revenge than in anything else. Dany is a tool for them to achieve that. Dany also summons (demands) that the King of the North to meet with her and pledge his allegiance. Jon has his own issues with his Northern alliance. He announces he's agreed to meet with Dany, but that does not go over well. Jon is firm in his decision and tells Sansa that the North will be in her hands until he returns -- or if he doesn't. Arya has two interesting encounters in this episode. First she meets up with Hot Pie again, and from him learns that Winterfell is again in Stark hands -- specifically those of her half-brother Jon. This news causes her to change her plan of going to King's Landing -- she heads north instead. En route, she is surrounded by a pack of wolves led by a direwolf she thinks might be Nymeria -- her former pet direwolf. However, if it is Nymeria, she rejects Arya (but also leads away the pack so they don't attack). Meanwhile, in King's Landing, Cersei is doing her best Donald Trump impression to whip up fear and hatred of the "foreigners" on their shore -- Unsullied, Dothraki and the likely mad daughter of the former mad king. Jaime meanwhile coercively convinces Randyll Tarly (Sam's father) to betray Oleanna. Speaking of Sam, he sets about to cure Jorah of his greyscale in a scene I'd recommend you not watch while eating. The show ends with a spectacular and brutal battle at sea as Euron Greyjoy attacks Yara and Theon's fleet which was either headed to Dorne to pick up the Dornish troops needed for Dany's siege of King's Landing or on its way back to King's Landing after having done so -- I really couldn't tell. Yara and Ellaria Sand are taken prisoner (Euron's promised gift for Cersei?) pretty much everyone else is killed, except Theon, who jumps overboard.

Other events of note: Cersei's giant dragon-killing crossbow, Jon and Littlefinger's clash in the crypt, Jon gets Sam's raven mail re: the dragon glass under Dragonstone.
 
 
 
siobhan63siobhan63 on July 25th, 2017 04:40 pm (UTC)
So for me, one of the key themes of this episode was the nature of governance -- how one should govern and to what end. You saw it in the back and forth between Dany, Olenna, Ellaria, Yara, Tyrion and Varys, and a different approach from Cersei and Jaime, and of course, let's not forget Jon up in Winterfell. Quite an interesting rage of styles and some interesting questions on the nature of governance were raised.

My husband and I weren't sure what to make of Arya's "It's not you" comment when the direwolf that might be Nymeria ran off. Was she saying that it wasn't actually Nymeria? Was she saying that because Nymeria had been on her own for so long now, she couldn't return to being a pet/companion to a human? Or was Arya sort of talking about herself -- seeing herself in Nymeria. By that I mean, like Nymeria, Arya has been on her own, separated from family, looking out for her own survival -- she's become almost a wild thing herself. So just as Nymeria can't return to domesticity, maybe Arya doubts that she will be able to do the same?

I enjoyed the episode overall, but felt it was just a bit too busy. There was too much thrown in there, and too quickly, lots of jumping around. The small interlude between Missandei and Greyworm was touching, but I don't think the sex scene was necessary at all. But it's GofT and they've not had one yet this season, so... Honestly glad to see the end of the Sand snakes -- they were great characters in the books but totally pointless in the series. Won't miss them at all. Yes, I know Ellaria is still with us, but at least she had a larger role in the series.
Jill aka Jo: GOT: Sansa and Margaerysireesanwar on July 25th, 2017 05:07 pm (UTC)
I did feel like the whole thing was supposed to be what makes Jon and Dany different from Cersei. Which is obvious.

So I think you did hit on something there. I do think Arya was telling Nymeria that Nymeria isn't the same direwolf Ayra left behind. Still clearly Nymeria knows her because she didn't attack or let the other wolves attack Arya. And I do think in part it is about Arya aso having been away from her family for so long and her doubt about fitting in. But I was with you. I was confused by that line too.

I really liked Dany challenging Varys's loyalty. Sometimes you think Dany is just spoiling for a fight but you could see exactly what she was trying to get out of him. She wanted to know he wouldn't blindly follow her and that ultimately he will be loyal if you are good and just. I actually loved that interplay.

One thing that has always gotten me about this show is the forward movement of the plot and stories. Dany is making a step forward in her plan and then with the decimation of Yara's (?) fleet we are taken about a dozen steps back. And I don't want everything to just go perfectly for Dany but it seems like it is a constant rotation of just bad. I am very glad the Sand Snakes are dead. I never liked them.

I absolutely loved Jon telling everyone about Dany and how he needs to go meet her and that he was going to leave the North in capable hands... Sansa's. Her face when she asked "whose?" and he told her in hers and she was just stunned. Even if she wondered how he saw her there is no doubt that Jon is loyal to her and thinks her capable. He trusts her with everything. I hope Sansa really sees into Jon's heart because he is literally the true good guy in all of this.

Oh my gosh Sam and Jorah... oh that was just disgusting. But I love that Sam isn't taking no for an answer. He's getting stuff done and that was great. Another great character.

Oh and I didn't mention before but the whole ship battle thing was boring. My first thought was okay so this story is taking all this from Dany which sets her back but I couldn't have cared less about the Iron fleet being destroyed.
Jill aka Josireesanwar on July 25th, 2017 05:10 pm (UTC)
I posted most of my thoughts under sibohan63's comment but I also have to say that I'm dying to see Arya and Brand? get to Winterfell.

Also I'm soooo intrigued by Jon and Dany meeting. I want to see that so badly and I fear it will be the end of the next episode instead of the beginning.

MORE!!!!
siobhan63: powerpuffmesiobhan63 on July 25th, 2017 05:38 pm (UTC)
Yes, I don't know why no one from the Wall has sent Jon a raven with news of Bran being alive and safe at the Wall (as safe as one can be at the Wall anyway).

Also, when and how will Jon learn about his true parentage? And how will that change things if he manages to form an alliance with Dany?

I saw one interesting fan theory the other day. It posited that the battle for the Iron Throne will happen this season, so by ep. 7 we will know who will be sitting on said throne, and that next season will be the battle against the Night King and the White Walkers. Sounds plausible to me given how SLOOOOWLY the ice zombie army seems to be moving.
Jill aka Jo: GOT: Dany with a whispersireesanwar on July 25th, 2017 05:47 pm (UTC)
Right. Hello. Bran is here and he's alive. But nothing. Maybe Sansa will get the news first?

I don't know but I think it will be awesome if they find out. I want them too. Not only will Jon have more family but so will Dany and I think Dany would truly love it.

I mean if this show was just hinging on the battle of the White Walkers then it would have tanked because it is taking forever. But I'm okay with that fan theory.