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August 21 2017 @ 08:25 am
Game of Thrones General Discussion: S07 E06  

Summary: This week's episode consisted of two main plot points. One was the growing tension/suspicion between Arya and Sansa (thanks to Littlefinger's manipulations). Arya confronted Sansa about the scroll she'd been forced to write as a child begging Robb to bend the knee to Joffrey. Arya rightly surmised that Sansa was afraid of the other Northern lords learning of this. Later, Littlefinger suggests to Sansa that Brienne might be be brought into play -- she would defend Sansa against Arya if Arya proved a physical threat; however, Sansa instead sends Brienne off to Cersei's truce talks as her representative (but not before Brienne alludes to the fact that Littlefinger is not trustworthy and likely stirring up trouble). Sansa then goes into Arya's room to look for the scroll -- and instead finds a bag of faces. Arya confronts her, and sort of explains the whole faces things while also sort of threatening Sansa -- then hands the dagger over to Sansa -- perhaps a peace offering?

The main plot (and action), however, was north of the Wall, as Jon and his motley crew headed off to capture a live ice zombie to bring back south to prove to people that such things exist. As expected, things go very wrong. They are attacked by an ice zombie polar bear, that badly wounded Thoros. They set upon a small group of wights and manage to capture one -- but it screams like a banshee and alerts the larger ice army. Our heroes are quickly stranded in the middle of a frozen lake -- the open water the only thing keeping the ice zombies at bay. Gendry is sent off back to Eastwatch to get word to Dany. Thoros dies of his wounds (which means no more resurrections for Beric Dondarrion). The water gradually refreezes, and the ice army advances on Jon and company. They fight, and fight, and retreat to higher ground and continue to fight, and when everything looks like it's the end -- Dany and her three dragons arrive to save the day. Alas, it is at great cost -- the Ice King manages to kill Viserion, who plunges into the depths of the lake. The others hop aboard Drogon -- all except for Jon, who continues to fight off the advancing horde. He tells Dany to leave without him as he sees the Ice King lining up another spear aimed at Drogon. Dany and the dragons depart, leaving Jon behind. But lo and behold, uncle Benjen Stark arrives out of nowhere (literally), gives Jon his horse and holds off the ice zombies while Jon gets away.

Jon makes it to Eastwatch and we later see Dany and Jon aboard a ship -- headed to King's Landing (?). The attraction between them is clear. Jon bends the knee to Dany (verbally anyway - he can't get out of bed) and Dany tears up (although she was pretty teary already over having lost one of her children to the Ice King).

The show ominously ends with the ice army hauling Viserion out of the lake and the Ice King reanimating him -- his own zombie ice dragon. So now we know who the third rider will be (or at least, a rider, since it's not yet 100% confirmed who the 2nd dragon rider will be, but I'm still betting Jon).

ETA: Here's the Inside the Episode video from HBO:

And here's the "Making of" video from HBO:

siobhan63siobhan63 on August 21st, 2017 02:47 pm (UTC)
Another action-packed episode. I have seen much moaning on social media about how rushed this season is (and people griping over how slow/fast people are able to cover distances (and with E06, how quickly ravens fly), but I don't mind. Yes, maybe this season would benefit from having a couple more episodes to better tie up a few threads, but I'm mostly loving everything.

I said in the summary that the dragon that was brought down was Viserion -- this is what is being said online all over the place. In the episode, however, they don't actually tell us which dragon was killed. However, Viserion would be fitting -- he was named after Dany's brother, who, let's face it, was a shit and a trouble-maker, so if any of the dragons end up being a threat/problem, Viserion seems to be to be the appropriate choice. Plus I still believe that Jon will end up riding Rheagar.

With regards to the Arya-Sansa conflict, why can't Bran just TELL them all the ways Littlefinger has messed with the Stark family? Surely that would unite the two sisters in common cause!

Things are clearly heating up between Dany and Jon -- will anything happen between them before they find out Jon's true parentage?

As exciting as this episode was, and it was pretty exciting -- there isn't really that much to say about it. It was quite straight-forward and it essentially just sets up the big pow-wow next week in the finale, as all of our main protagonists (and antagonists) come together. There will be some interesting reunions taking place -- Jaime and Brienne, Cersei and Tyrion, even the Hound and the Mountain maybe? I'm looking forward to Cersei and Dany facing off -- I am sort of picturing two cats all puffed up and ready to fight as they circle each other warily, hissing and whining.
Jill aka Josireesanwar on August 22nd, 2017 05:39 pm (UTC)
It did feel like the rescue of the White Walker Hunters was pretty fast but I could care less because it had clearly been some time and I'm betting Dragon speed is pretty darn good.

The only thing I knew when that dragon fell out of the sky was that is wasn't Drogon because Dany was riding him. So I had to look it up too but you are right it makes sense. Her dead brother's name sake died. But watching the Night King raise Viserion was just crazy. I thought that was a possibility when V died but then I was like... nah sank to the bottom of the lake. This is a terrifying turn of events.

I think it would be brilliant if Bran had each sister walk in the others time apart. Arya would get why Sansa did anything that seems duplicitous. She was scrambling to survive and get free only to land in hell each time. And Sansa to see how Arya went through life and believing her family slaughtered... I think they'd benefit.

Yes, everyone kept talking about this attraction between Dany and Jon and I just didn't see it until last night. I knew Jon had been staring at her but who wouldn't when she commands dragons. But then I did see Dany seem interested in Jon and really not want him to go beyond the wall in the last episode. I see it and I'm intrigued but I can't get past the incestuousness of it.

I'm looking forward to the big peace meeting which I assume Cersei is going to do something stupid but I do wonder if Dany will tell them the Night King killed one of her Dragons. That alone would freak out Jaime. He's seen the dragons in action and they tried and failed utterly so I'd bet that would put the fear of God into him.

I personally see Jon and any Lannister coming into contact (sans Tyrion) as a huge deal. They've never seen each other before, right?

I commented too... but I've been thinking about the 3 headed dragon and some other stuff so more to come...
siobhan63siobhan63 on August 22nd, 2017 06:15 pm (UTC)
I wonder if the fact that the Night King was able to bring down a dragon will revive interest in Cersei's giant crossbow. It didn't completely succeed against Drogon, but Bronn was really rushed what with the fire and Dothrakis all around him -- and he still managed to wound Drogon. Of course, they'd need a bolt with a tip made of Valerian steel or dragonglass. Maybe that's where Gendry comes in -- he forges something out of Valerian steel to use against the ice dragon?

Or does this just embolden Cersei to keep the crossbow for herself knowing that it is possible to kill the beasts?
Jill aka Josireesanwar on August 29th, 2017 10:53 pm (UTC)
Maybe. I think Cersei will think of something. Also, I do wonder about the Night Kings javlins. Is it just because of the magical properties of the wights?
Jill aka Jo: Outlander: Logosireesanwar on August 22nd, 2017 05:24 pm (UTC)
Arya is freakin scary and I kept assuming Brienne talking to Sansa was Arya and then Littlefinger but maybe not. I still can't tell if Arya is with Sansa or not. Arya believes Sansa wants to rule and she may be right but it feels like Sansa wants it yet knows it is Jon's role and she will just back him until she is needed to fill his boots. I keep thinking Sansa is on Jon's side because she's seen what the backstabbing is like with the Lannisters. I just assume she doesn't want to be like that... more her mom I think.

Everyone had to know Jon and Crew wouldn't be successful totally, right? I mean this couldn't go perfectly. I for one couldn't imagine them actually taking down a zombie. But they did manage it and found out some interesting details about the Walkers. I was impressed that we learned taking out the Walkers essentially takes out the dead army. Very interesting.

Them ending up in the middle of that lake was crazy and I was so excited to see Dany save the day but I was floored that the Night King could kill a Dragon and took out Viserion. I had to look up would was killed because how do you tell the other two apart? And NK waking Viserion in the end. Holy crap! How the heck is that going to work and it is very bad.
siobhan63siobhan63 on August 22nd, 2017 06:16 pm (UTC)
Does an ice dragon spew fire like regular dragons?
Jill aka Josireesanwar on August 29th, 2017 10:52 pm (UTC)
Ice flames? I have no clue what I witness in the last episode.

I wonder because when a flame gets really hot it turns blue but he's part of the Wight Walker army so is it ice or really hot flame?
Jill aka Jo: GOT: Dany with a whispersireesanwar on August 22nd, 2017 08:01 pm (UTC)
Okay I didn't comment on this before but I just can't stop thinking about it.

Remember the 3 headed dragon prophecy? Well, we all weren't expecting Viserion's death and resurrection. To me this means Dany will ride Drogon per usual and because Jon is a Targaryen he will ride Rhaegal who was named for his father.

Now we have the Night King with Viserion who we now assume will ride him but maybe that isn't true. Maybe Viserion will just be like a giant in the dead army. He'll do the bidding of the Night King. Maybe NK will ride V or maybe he'll just control him. And I'm rather scared to see what a White Walker Dragon breaths.

I kept thinking that the Night King isn't supposed to be able to cross the Wall. Because the Children of the Forest used their magic to protect the wall and prevent the White Walkers from crossing it like Leaf did with the Three-eyed raven's abode. But because of Bran that didn't end well. Bran was marked by the Night King in his vision which enabled the Night King to come into the Three Raven's safe place. So I am assuming that is how the Night King can get beyond the wall. I don't think that was clear to me when this all happened in the show.

Does this mean if Bran hadn't come back to the Wall that Westeros would have been safe?

And remember Bran was marked while warping into a raven and spying on the Night King. We know that Bran can warp or influence others with the whole Hodor thing.

And the Three Eyed Raven told Bran he will never walk again, but he will fly. Yes, that could refer to the raven's Bran uses as the new Three-Eyed Raven but maybe it also means that he will take control of Viserion from the Night King and become essentially a dragon rider? Maybe?

And I keep wondering if the 3 dragon riders happen together or if maybe one would be a child to come. Technically Dany can't have children but Jon could. However, I keep wondering if we are going down the path of Jon/Dany then maybe her inability will be changed with Jon.

Just some thoughts.
siobhan63: powerpuffmesiobhan63 on August 23rd, 2017 12:10 pm (UTC)
I've seen speculation that the Night King will use Viserion to destroy the Wall (or part of it at least) and that is how the ice army will be able to get beyond the Wall. I"ve also read a lot of speculation re: Bran warging into Viserion and being able to control him/use him against the Night King. Both theories make sense.

Just read that the title of the finale is "The Dragon and the Wolf", and that it will be almost 80 minutes long (79 min 43 sec to be precise)!

Also -- random stuff that I think about: are all the dragons male? If yes, does that mean no more dragons again once these three die (or die again in the case of Viserion)?
Jill aka Jo: Happy: Excited Owlsireesanwar on August 29th, 2017 10:48 pm (UTC)
I was stunned to see the Night King riding Viserion. I really didn't think he would but I was wrong and who Viserion taking down the wall. WOW.

Yeah, good question. I didn't think about the dragons being male. I wonder.