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September 26 2017 @ 05:20 pm
Episode Discuss: 303 All Debts Paid  

Sorry this took so long. I am preparing for vacation....

All Debts Paid opens in Boston 1956 where Claire is reading medical book while Frank makes an English breakfast in hopes of curbing some of Brianna’s American-ness. Claire asks Frank to a movie but he’s seen them with his girlfriend. Claire looks upset but they agreed as long as he was discreet.

In 1755, Jamie is in Ardsmuir Prison where Major Grey has just shown up for his post and is told about Red Jamie who he remembers with a bit of hatred (but is it really?). Jamie goes back into the cells to talk with MURTAGH!!!! telling him about the new warden before heading to Major Grey’s office where he informs the man that the prisoners eat the rats when they can catch them.

In Boston, Claire is celebrating her graduation from Medical School with Frank, Joe, Brianna and some other classmates but Frank has no intention of sticking with the celebrating. His latest paramour shows up at the door expecting him to be alone but that is clearly not the case. Claire clears everyone out to the restaurant so Frank can have his alone time. Later the two fight and Claire suggests they divorce but Frank doesn’t want to lose Brianna. Claire tells him she’d never take Bree away from him but he doesn’t trust her promises anymore.

Scotland 1750 something, the English have discovered Duncan Kerr who is babbling about curse gold and white witches. Major Grey offers to remove Jamie’s irons if he helps translate the French and Gaelic. Jamie also wants blankets and medicine for the prisoners but Major Grey doesn’t have the resources and Jamie settles for Murtagh being treated. Jamie gives Major Grey all the information he wants too from Duncan.

Murtagh wants to know if it could be Claire but Jamie is unsure.

Major Grey invites Jamie to dinner and Jamie goes to negotiation with Major Grey about the food for the prisoners. He asks if they can hunt which shocks Grey thinking he’s asking for weapons. Jamie informs him that they can set snares and gather watercress to prevent scurvy. Grey is curious where he learned about the watercress and Jamie tells him from his wife who is gone. Jamie later goes back to the cells and tells the other men about the meal and the sauce on the meat.

Then days later while on work detail he disappears from the crew with the help of other prisoners. Major Grey and his men are searching for Jamie and when he does to take a piss, Jamie comes up behind him and takes Major Grey’s sword explaining this is how it is done. Jamie makes it clear he remembers John and then asks John to kill him as promised all those years ago. John refuses and asks Jamie if he found the Frenchman gold. Jamie tells him all he found was a jewel but John doesn’t believe him until Jamie gives him the jewel. Later, a doctor comes in to treat Murtagh.

Back in 1966, Brianna just graduated from high school with a beaming Frank and Claire in the audience.

Back in Scotland, in Major Grey’s office we see Jamie and Grey playing a game of chess and behaving like friends. Grey informs Jamie that he also wanted to die after Culloden because he lost a very special friend. Jamie talks about Claire actually saying her name. Grey reaches out and places a comforting hand on Jamie’s but then lets it linger longingly. Jamie becomes upset and tells to remove his hand or he’ll kill him.

In Boston 1966, now that the graduation is over Frank tells Claire he is going to England. Claire starts to comment about joining them but Frank informs her he got a job at Cambridge and will be moving there and divorcing her. Claire wonders about his girlfriend and Frank tells her they will marry as soon as Claire and he divorce. He wants Brianna to go with him. Claire is livid and tells him he can do whatever he likes but Brianna isn’t going. Frank storms out and Claire gets a call about a patient that needs surgery.

It is now winter in Scotland 1700s and all the prisoners from Ardsmuir are being transported to the Colonies to be indentured servants for 14 years except Jamie. Jamie ends up being taken to an estate in Helwater where he will be set up to work for a nobleman. Grey tells Jamie it is the best he could do and he should maybe not use his own name as it is high recognizable. Jamie wants to know why Grey would go out of his way for him after he wouldn’t let Grey have his way with him. Grey regrets the action.

Claire is just out of surgery giving the news to the family when Joe appears to tell her Frank has been in a car accident. He’s dead. Claire runs to the room where Frank is laid out and kisses him telling him she did truly love him and that he was her very first love.
 
 
 
Jill aka Josireesanwar on September 27th, 2017 12:24 am (UTC)
I don't care what Frank we are talking about. He's an ass. I despised him in this episode and while it isn't the same Frank in the book there isn't much of a difference in the long run. Frank planning a rendezvous with his mistress during her graduation? Seriously, he can't keep up appearances for that?

But the best is Murtagh. So he's alive and kicking and hopefully makes it across the pond.
siobhan63: powerpuffmesiobhan63 on September 27th, 2017 01:17 pm (UTC)
I don't get why everyone's harping on Frank re: Sandy showing up on Claire's party day. It was clear he'd made a mistake re: the time, thinking everyone would be gone by the time she showed up to pick him up. Who's to blame for the time mix-up, we don't know. Maybe he misheard? Maybe Claire changed it and didn't tell him? Maybe he just forgot? Thing is, he didn't do it deliberately -- there was a mix-up.

Neither Claire or Frank are particularly likeable in this episode. Claire's too sanctimonious, and I think Frank's line "you're not as good an actress as you think you are" really makes it clear that they're not fooling anyone, they never were fooling anyone.
Jill aka Josireesanwar on October 6th, 2017 06:07 pm (UTC)
Actually, I don't see it that way. To me whether they are in love or not you would think Frank "I'm putting on a show" would have been there for her entire graduation celebration. I hate that Sandy showed up but I'm more pissed that he couldn't muster up the backbone to be there for her celebration.

The show has done nothing to make me like Frank. The way I see it he started out great... it doesn't matter you are pregnant with another mans baby.

Then within months he was like... everything should be good now and we should be a big happy family. He didn't try to ease back into things realistically. Claire had been through a lot and whether he believed her or not easing back into their relationship and maybe just trying to spend time together would have gone a long way but Frank was all... NOW or nothing.

That is just the way I see it and I DO NOT like Frank.

I do, however, love Tobias.
siobhan63: powerpuffmesiobhan63 on September 27th, 2017 01:13 pm (UTC)
I've seen quite a few complaints that this season (eps. 1 and 2) felt rushed to a lot of people, but I have to say that for me, this was the first episode that had that feeling about it. I think a big part of that is the total lack of development of the Joe Abernathy-Claire friendship. I really expected to see way more of Joe in this episode. And also, Claire's whole medical school thing -- she enrolled last week and graduated this week. It's only near the end that Frank refers to the fact that she was hardly ever about because of school and then after, her work. Also completely missing -- any sign of the closeness between Frank-Bree which we know exists because Bree made that quite clear back in ep. 213.

The whole Claire-Frank dynamic in this one was painful. All the pretense was stripped away. All the hurt and resentment and wounds were laid bare. Claire is not very likeable here. I can just imagine all the Frank haters out there watching this one. Claire comes across here as wanting to eat her cake and have it too. She and Frank agreed that they (or at least Frank) could see others, as long as they were discreet about it, then she is horribly upset when he does. Shocked almost -- what did she expect? That he would just sit around and be as miserable as she obviously is?

Meanwhile, back in the 18th century...

MURTAGH!!!! That is all I am saying here. I"ve already discussed this on the thread I started earlier this week.

I know there was some bitching about the casting of David Berry as Lord John Grey (LJG) because he is too tall and not blond, but he was excellent. I heard him interviewed and he said he'd read at least some of the LJG books (maybe all) and I think he really captured the essence of that character, even if he is too tall and not blond.

The Ardsmuir prison stuff was also somewhat rushed -- but it felt maybe less so than the Claire-Frank stuff. They kept the key bits and did them well enough. The first time I watched the episode, I thought they'd rushed the friendship between Jamie and LJG, but on rewatch, it was done well enough. I quite liked how we were always reminded of the balance of power between LJG and Jamie, and how that would shift slightly when the former needed help from the latter. Sam and David play well off each other. It will be good to see this develop in future seasons.

Small things I liked: Jamie smelling the thistle and it reminding him of Claire, but he can't bring himself to actually say her name, not even to Murtagh. Jamie recounting the details of his meals with LJG to the other prisoners.

Things that confused me. In the season 3 official trailer, there were scenes of Jamie on a rocky beach calling out Claire's name, however, there was nothing like that in the episode -- and I'm sure that was from when he escaped to go look for the gold and the white witch. Or maybe that scene in the trailer is from some other part of the season? But I can't think what -- unless it's a flashback, when Jamie tells Claire about his escape from prison to see if she was the white witch. Also, I remember that they announced they had cast the role of Hector, who is the special person LJG lost at Culloden. Yet again, we didn't see any of that so I'm wondering if that just got cut due to length?
siobhan63: powerpuffmesiobhan63 on September 27th, 2017 02:22 pm (UTC)
If you're going away on vacation, I can start the discussion thread for ep 304 (or other episode) if you're not going to be around to do that.
Jill aka Josireesanwar on October 6th, 2017 06:08 pm (UTC)
Sorry I didn't see our message in time. Thanks for the offer.
Eumel: hmmmmeumelkeks on September 30th, 2017 04:50 pm (UTC)
I'm so glad they kept Murtagh! ♥

IDK, I leaf through the Frank years whenever I reread, so I wasn't terribly upset that this was rushed through. But I was a bit confused by the open estrangement, hostility and his persistent aggressiveness. Who would they have fooled with this? I very much doubt that Brianna would praise Frank to the heavens if he had mistresses coming over every other week. So weird.

But yay, we can move on now. Grey was pretty good, I am happy with this casting. I quite liked his and Jamie's chemistry and this would be the birth of a great many slash fics in any other fandom. Haven't had time to check if Outlander is different.
Jill aka Jo: OUaT: Charmingsireesanwar on October 6th, 2017 06:11 pm (UTC)
Me too!!!! I'm so excited to keep Murtagh. I loved him in the book and the show.

RIGHT! Frank is supposed to be putting on a show. And if that is true I think he would have told Sandy... Claire is graduating so I will be spending the evening with Claire and Bree. But no. Bree isn't stupid and I think older Bree maybe comment on it in the future.

I wouldn't be surprised. I do love Berry's portrayal of LJ and I like Jamie and him together though I don't ship. I wouldn't be surprised if shippers come out of the woodworks. LOL