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October 03 2017 @ 06:39 pm
Episode Discuss: 304 Of Lost Things  

While serving as groomsman at the aristocratic estate of Helwater, Jamie is reluctantly pulled into the intrigue of a noble British family. In 1968 Scotland, Claire, Brianna and Roger struggle to trace Jamie's whereabouts in history, leaving Claire to wonder if they will ever find him again.

 
 
 
Jill aka Jo: Outlander: Claire at the windowsireesanwar on October 4th, 2017 01:42 am (UTC)
It was so nice to see Jamie carve that snake for Willie just like his brother did for him. It was nice and emotional touch. I really enjoyed the baptism scene and Willie's adoration for Mac in general.

I thought Lord John was brilliant in this episode and I loved when Lord Melton discovered Jamie was at Helwater.

I can't say I think Willie looks like Jamie but I enjoyed it all nonetheless.

I also have to comment that i prefered this version of what happened between Jamie and Geneva even if I didn't hate the book version.

It was neat to see everyone searching for Jamie but saddening that Claire gave up.

Poor Roger lost his girl.

What did you think of Brianna in this episode?
siobhan63: powerpuffmesiobhan63 on October 4th, 2017 02:02 pm (UTC)
I don't know that I really have much to say about this episode. It was probably one of the best episodes of this series (all seasons to date). Yes, they had to compress time somewhat, but everything in Jamie's storyline that was necessary to the storyline was in there. Yes, they changed a few little things, but nothing that bothered me or that might affect the plot going forward, and in some instances, I think the changes made more sense. One in particular, and this really isn't much of a spoiler for non-readers, is the carved snake, when in the book, Jamie gives Willie his carved wooden rosary beads, telling him to keep them a secret. It never made sense to me that a child that young would have successfully kept such an item secret, and if they'd been found, there would have been all hell to pay. It was an incredibly risky (and frankly stupid) thing for book Jamie to do. But by giving Willie a carved snake, no harm in that -- it's not something he'd have to hide or keep secret. Also, Toni Graphia pointed out that it wasn't likely that Jamie would even have had the rosary in the first place since all of his belongings would have been stripped from him in prison.

Hannah James was spot-on perfect as Geneva. I've seen some really weird comments from "fans" on Twitter about not watching this particular episode because they can't stand Geneva (or more precisely, they can't stand that Jamie has sex with her), or that they will watch, but skip that part -- I don't understand this mentality at all. It is such a critical plot point for the rest of the entire series (not just Voyager -- all the books), I don't see how you can refuse to watch. I don't understand this Jamie-Claire exclusively mentality. It is so bizarre.

The casting of young William was quite amazing. I've not seen any photos of Sam Heughan as a child, but the young actor did manage to make me think that Jamie might be the father. I am really dying to see who they cast as William in his young adult years, assuming the series continues that long.

Am I the only one who would totally love an "Adventures of Jamie and Lord John Grey" spin-off series? I just adore the chemistry between Sam Heughan and David Berry. I've always been somewhat indifferent to LJG in the books, but I LOVE Berry's portrayal of him. I do wish they'd left in the kiss tho...

I really wish they hadn't forced Sophie Skelton to do a stupid American accent. I think it mutes her talent somewhat. I really like Sophie, and I love Bree in the books -- she's probably my fave character these days (in the books). I am really looking forward to seeing more of her in season 4, when she has a far meatier plot to deal with.

I have somewhat mixed feelings about the use of the Bob Dylan song at the end of the episode. It was fine for the 1960s scenes, but felt really out of place over the 1750s scenes. It reminded me of the use of modern songs in Peaky Blinders -- rather jarring.

Edited at 2017-10-04 02:24 pm (UTC)
Jill aka Josireesanwar on October 6th, 2017 06:02 pm (UTC)
I liked the book version and we were supposed to understand that Jamie was smuggling out letters and getting stuff from his family which is what Geneva blackmails him with but I do agree that I really like the change in the show. It is clever and tugs all the right heartstrings.

I can't understand not watching once. I have watched every episode once. Some not twice. Even when I read the books I can't read the Wentworth Prison stuff at the end of Outlander. I read through it a couple of times but now I just skip it. It is just too much to handle.

The Geneva stuff never bothered me. Frankly, while I disliked Geneva in the books the show made me feel for her. She grabbing for some happiness and I think she truly felt she has some kind of feelings for Jamie/Alex. I think she romanticized him because of her situation. Yes, she was rather bitchy but I actually like show Geneva more than book Geneva. Same with Isobel.

Me too.

I do want to see more adventures of John and Jamie and I can honestly say I've never felt that way when reading the books. I love Berry has LJ and I'm super excited to [Spoiler (click to open)]see him interact with Claire.

I like Bree but she's not a favorite. I feel like Sophie is getting the raw end of the deal. I mean we are barely seeing her do anything and she gets hammered. I think given time she'll really blossom.

I liked the song though it did seem oddly out of place but I do think it was meant to convey the feelings we saw on the screen. I can go with it.


Also, I'm saddened that our comm seems to have emptied out.

siobhan63: powerpuffmesiobhan63 on October 4th, 2017 02:05 pm (UTC)
I saw somewhere online, a comment that ep. 305 will be slightly longer -- maybe 75 minutes, but I've not been able to find any confirmation of that. Does anyone know anything about this possibility?

ETA: It's ep. 306 that will be 75 min. long. Ep. 305 is the usual one hour.

Edited at 2017-10-05 03:44 pm (UTC)
Jill aka Josireesanwar on October 6th, 2017 05:53 pm (UTC)
That is fantastic. I'm even more excited now though we have to have some more droughtlander.