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August 04 2014 @ 03:24 pm
101: Sassenach Discussion Post  

Episode 1: Sassenach Discussion Post


Questions

  1. What did you think overall of Sam, Caitrionia and Tobias's performances?

  2. How did you feel about the episode in as a whole?

  3. What was your favorite scene or moment from Sassenach?

  4. Book Fans: What was your favorite scene that came from directly from the book?

  5. Book Fans: What was your favorite scene that seemed altered from the book?

  6. What was your favorite line from Sassenach?

  7. Did anyone else noticed when Claire tumbled down the hill that she lost her belt? How exactly did that happen?

  8. Someone mentioned seeing a boy in the scenes with Frank and the Reverend Wakfield but I didn't see a boy in any of those scenes. Did anyone?

  9. Was there a scene or line that felt confusing to you?

  10. How did you feel about Claire/Caitriona's voice overs? Good or Bad?


Favorite Lines

  1. Dougal says "I doona hold with rape. Beside we dunna have the time." - something like that.


Favorite Moments

  1. I love how all of Dougals men look at Claire and then look at her legs because they're not used to seeing women exposed like that.

  2. When they come to the ambush it's shocking to watch Jamie just dump Claire off the horse but the same time it was kind of funny.


Some Thoughts

  1. Honestly watching Sam play Jamie just seems exactly like the Jamie that is in my head even though I wasn't sure he would really feel like that when I watched it.

  2. I love when Jamie says that his arm doesn't hurt anymore it's almost like you see the youth in him.

  3. I think my favorite scene is when Jamie falls off a horse and Claire is bandaging him. I also like when it's just the two of them talking and he mentions Randall and then she helps him up but then she quickly pulls her hand away from him and calls him soldier like she would somebody in her care during World War II.

  4. No I should amend that. I think my favorite moment in Sassenach is when Frank comes upon the ghost staring up at Claire. Gave me chills.

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Die Kleine Hexehexenhasel on August 4th, 2014 10:39 pm (UTC)
1. I loved Sam as Jamie and Tobias as Frank/Black Jack. I think Caitriona's acting wasn't as natural as the other two, however. I'm hoping that it will improve as the series continues.

2. As a whole, I enjoyed the episode quite a bit.

3. My favourite moment was the Druids dancing around the stones. Very ethereal - gave me goosebumps.

4. Again, favourite scene directly from the books was the Druids.

5. Favourite scene that seemed altered from the books was when Claire set Jamie's arm in the cottage (and that's a stretch because they did a really good job with that scene).

6. "And after I shared my drink with ye." - Jamie

7. I have no idea how Claire lost her belt, unless it snapped (it was a thin belt)

8. I didn't! I was rather disappointed too, but maybe they'll do a flashback scene.

9. The whole scene of Frank and Claire visiting the ruins of Castle Leoch.
Jill aka Jo: Outlander: Frank & Claire at Leochsireesanwar on August 4th, 2014 10:59 pm (UTC)
1. I agree I thought Caitriona was the weakest of the actors but I don't think she was bad and I hope to chalk it up to the amount of acting and work she has to do.

Also, part of me wonders if the scenes with Frank were intentionally a little over the top. She is after all pretending to pretend everything is normally after all that time separated.

2. Me too.

3 & 4. I liked that scene but mine was the ghost scene though my direct from the book scene is probably the druids. Very cool.

5. You know you're right. That scene is so good because as a book fan I can almost not tell how different it is. It just blends into my memory of the book so well.

6. LOL I loved that too. I also liked Dougal's mention of the cursing.

7. It is possible it snapped I supposed. To me it just looks like an oversight.

8. Or maybe we'll see "the boy" when Frank comes back to the Manse after looking for Claire... or not. I hope we do.

9. Yes! That wasn't where they went and why would BJR have ever walked the halls of Leoch? Even Frank would know that a clan like the MacKenzie's would wish to prevent an English soldier from walking their halls.

[Spoiler (click to open)]In the book, they went to see Wentworth Prison in a tour. I believe that is how Claire later knows anything about the prison. Of course, I can see that maybe they'd rather have someone else give her that intel later or her just wing it bravely. We'll see won't we.

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R.nemophilist on August 5th, 2014 12:02 am (UTC)
Really? I thought Tobias was the least strong actor, but maybe it was meant to seem that way? I dunno.
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R.nemophilist on August 4th, 2014 11:25 pm (UTC)
What did you think overall of Sam, Caitrionia and Tobias's performances?

I love Sam and Caitrionia, I thought they were brilliantly. I like Tobias but ... I dunno, it seemed like he was trying to make himself too intense at times. His face was over acting, if that makes sense. But overall really good.

How did you feel about the episode in as a whole?

I really loved it! So many things. The way they treated the sex scenes, the scenery, Claire's badassery, James' hilarious responses, the slow changes, how everything had a good build up, how Claire actually looks like someone from the '40s. I know that sounds weird, but so many people look way too modern in their roles and she didn't. She look classic. It was nice to see. And I loved the costumes and the Scottish Gaelic and all those other things. :D

What was your favorite scene or moment from Sassenach?

Probably the riding scene or the dancing on the hill. So pretty!

What was your favorite line from Sassenach?

Claire's bitching at everyone and how logical she was. I might be alone, but I loved her narration.

Did anyone else noticed when Claire tumbled down the hill that she lost her belt? How exactly did that happen?

Hahah, magic?!

Someone mentioned seeing a boy in the scenes with Frank and the Reverend Wakfield but I didn't see a boy in any of those scenes. Did anyone?

I saw no one ...?

Was there a scene or line that felt confusing to you?

Not yet!

Overall I'd say 9/10 and I'm waiting so impatiently for more!
Jill aka Jo: Outlander: Je Suis Prestsireesanwar on August 4th, 2014 11:51 pm (UTC)
As Frank he was rather intense but somehow it fit for me. But I really see your point. For me it was Caitriona but I still think she did great. Honestly, I love them all.

I really loved it! So many things. The way they treated the sex scenes, the scenery, Claire's badassery, James' hilarious responses, the slow changes, how everything had a good build up, how Claire actually looks like someone from the '40s. I know that sounds weird, but so many people look way too modern in their roles and she didn't. She look classic. It was nice to see. And I loved the costumes and the Scottish Gaelic and all those other things. :D

You are going to be a true fan. I can tell. This is pretty much why the fans of the books love them.

And I agree that Cait as Claire looks like a woman who stepped out of the 40s. I love how much she committed to it and that she was cast.

Wow. I'm excited for you just starting out in the books. It is an epic ride.

Probably the riding scene or the dancing on the hill. So pretty!
That Druid scene is pretty fantastic.

Claire's bitching at everyone and how logical she was. I might be alone, but I loved her narration.

Oh my gosh, I didn't ask that and I should have... I'll add it. I loved the narration especially the opening from the book. So wonderful. It made you feel like you were going through this even with her.

LOL Me too. Can't wait to see more.... you'll see the boy when you read the book.
R.nemophilist on August 5th, 2014 12:01 am (UTC)
I fell in love with it at every turn, even for things that were really noticeable. Like, I was watching and thinking, 'ugh, what a terrible outfit to wear traipsing through the woods' but I loved it because she obviously hadn't been intending to wear it into the 1700s and was kinda forced into it. And I liked that she instantly took crap from no one as opposed to just being useless. And how she immediately knew she was in the wrong place and Randall wasn't Frank, but someone bad. Like, what a psycho. I really hope she kicks his arse. I wonder if Frank ever finds out that his ancestor tried to rape his wife? And if she was trying for kids with Frank, is she going to be trying with James? Also, I love her and love James already, but I don't like the idea that she instantly cheats, so hopefully it's not that sudden or anything. Does that make sense? I'm rambling but I can't wait for my books to come. :P
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Jo Ann: Out: Caitriona profileyeuxdebleu on August 21st, 2014 04:51 am (UTC)
Someone mentioned seeing a boy in the scenes with Frank and the Reverend Wakfield but I didn't see a boy in any of those scenes. Did anyone?

I was the person who mentioned that, but what I said was that the boy wasn't there. In the book, Claire goes to sit down and discovers a small boy 4 or 5 years old asleep in the chair. He's the Rev. Wakefield's nephew, Roger. Roger appears in later books and I suspect the filmmakers didn't see any need to introduce him this early.
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Jill aka Jo: Outlander: Dougalsireesanwar on August 6th, 2014 10:22 pm (UTC)
LOL Well I wanted to get people talking.

Well Jamie's hair is a bit short when it starts out I think because of the wound to his head but I see your point. I can't even believe Sam is 34. I thought he was younger and I for one thing he has the charm down.

I LOVED the ghost scene. I was so giddy.

We have to see how things go because to me there were also a few forced moments but overall I loved it beyond reason.
Phoenixburned_phoenix on August 5th, 2014 07:34 am (UTC)
I really liked it! I admit, I hadn't really looked into it, like, what it is about and what was gonna happen. So from what I had seen, I was a bit confused in the beginning because of the time it started in. I was busy pondering why, where and how the guy in your pictures was living away from civilization :D

But then it started to made sense :D

You noticed she lost her belt, but did they change the whole dress? because in the beginning it was closed at the top with just a tear shaped open space and then it was just open. Maybe there was a button there that got lost too? :D

I really loved that 'witch dancing' scene. It was just so beautiful.
Also, the 'I'm a nurse' *guys staring at her boobs* 'Not a wet nurse!' thing was pretty funny.
And it was so sweet when he tried to wrap her in his cloth thingy but couldn't manage with one arm and she was wondering what the hell he was doing :D

And I think he was kinda looking forward to throwing her over his shoulder, he looked like he was pretty fond of that idea :D Though I was wondering which one he would pick, the injured one or the other :D
Jill aka Jo: Outlander: Frank & Claire at Leochsireesanwar on August 6th, 2014 12:46 am (UTC)
Yes, it can be a bit confusing if you know nothing about it.

I didn't notice the button but then it seemed like the dress was the same thing only all messed up from her falling. I'll have to look when I watch it again.

Jamie's a sweet guy. I guess it is probably more chivalrous. He comes from a time where chivalry was much more abundant and it doesn't help that he likes her from the start.

He actually means in that scene to through her over the bad shoulder which is why he asks her if she wants him to do it. Claire being the nurse and the one to set his shoulder doesn't want him to use it so she says no and goes with him.

Yeah, I liked the idea of him throwing her over his shoulder too but their relationship isn't really like that... just keep watching. I'm excited you are interested.
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Angelserenitysangel on August 5th, 2014 02:40 pm (UTC)
Did anyone else noticed when Claire tumbled down the hill that she lost her belt? How exactly did that happen?

Did notice that. Probably left to viewer to just assume it some how got ripped off when she fell. To me it feels like an attempt by the writers to find away to alter her dress so that it looks less 'Modern time'. With the belt it clearly says 20th Century, but once the belt comes off it looks more in keeping with the time she lands in so that they don't all look at her even more oddly questioning what type of clothes she is wearing.

Not having read the books *yet*, I don't know how they handle her clothing appearance in the book. But this is what it felt like they were attempting to do by her suddenly losing the belt in the fall. A quick way to suddenly less modernise her clothing...
Jill aka Josireesanwar on August 6th, 2014 12:48 am (UTC)
Yes, that is my assumption too. I don't recall a mention of a belt in the book. She was just wearing a light dress that everyone thought was a shift.
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Jo Ann: Out: Keep Calm Trust Ronyeuxdebleu on August 21st, 2014 05:30 am (UTC)
What did you think overall of Sam, Caitrionia and Tobias's performances?

I thought they were all outstanding. Loved the Highlanders, too.

How did you feel about the episode in as a whole?

I liked it.

What was your favorite scene or moment from Sassenach?

Favorite scene: Claire tending Jamie's wound after he fell off the horse. Favorite moment: The amazed look on Jamie's face when Claire put his shoulder back in the socket and he realized it didn't hurt anymore. He looked at Claire like she was some kind of miraculous being.

Book Fans: What was your favorite scene that came from directly from the book?

Claire putting Jamie's shoulder back in the socket. But to be honest, I can't think of any others because the film was so well done that book and film tend to run together in my mind.

What was your favorite line from Sassenach?

...I could throw you over my shoulder. Do you want me to do that? (Claire says no.) Well then...I suppose that means yer comin' with me. Loved the smirk on his face.

Did anyone else noticed when Claire tumbled down the hill that she lost her belt? How exactly did that happen?

Many people thought that was a continuity error, but it wasn't. Terry Dresbach (costume designer) said it her blog that it was intentional. Claire had to lose the belt and her wrist watch because they would have been completely out of place on a shift (the belt) and in the 18th Century (the wrist watch.) They used Claire rolling down the hill as a way for her to lose both. But it could definitely look like a continuity error.

People have also questioned that the two dresses were the same. Terry said they were, just many copies made so the dress could look more and more dirty and torn.

Someone mentioned seeing a boy in the scenes with Frank and the Reverend Wakfield but I didn't see a boy in any of those scenes. Did anyone?

I was the person who mentioned that, but what I said was that the boy wasn't there. In the book, Claire goes to sit down and discovers a small boy about 5 years old asleep in the chair. He's the Rev. Wakefield's nephew, Roger. Roger appears in later books, of course, and I suspect the filmmakers didn't see any need to introduce him this early.

Was there a scene or line that felt confusing to you?

No because I've read the book. Hubby was confused in a few places because he hadn't read the book. I had to fill in the blanks for him.

How did you feel about Claire/Caitriona's voice overs? Good or Bad?

I liked them, and I've read the book, but I think they were essential for people who haven't. The book is written from Claire's point of view and it's the only way to get across what she's thinking. I thought the voice overs was a very smart choice on the part of Ron Moore.

Honestly watching Sam play Jamie just seems exactly like the Jamie that is in my head even though I wasn't sure he would really feel like that when I watched it.

I honestly can't think of more perfect casting for Jamie than Sam Heughan. He is everything I'd hoped for and more. It's amazing that a 34-year-old man can so convincingly play a 23-year-old. Even as himself, Sam doesn't look 34. Sam is the Jamie I picture now whenever I re-read any sections of the book.

Sorry to be so tardy getting to this post, but I'm glad so many people have already replied.










Jill aka Jo: Outlander: Jamie Frasersireesanwar on August 22nd, 2014 12:15 am (UTC)
Favorite scene: Claire tending Jamie's wound after he fell off the horse. Favorite moment: The amazed look on Jamie's face when Claire put his shoulder back in the socket and he realized it didn't hurt anymore. He looked at Claire like she was some kind of miraculous being.

I liked that too. I felt like that is where Jamie realizes Claire is something special.

Claire putting Jamie's shoulder back in the socket. But to be honest, I can't think of any others because the film was so well done that book and film tend to run together in my mind.

I'm having and issue with this as well except when I clearly see something missing.

I was the person who mentioned that, but what I said was that the boy wasn't there. In the book, Claire goes to sit down and discovers a small boy about 5 years old asleep in the chair. He's the Rev. Wakefield's nephew, Roger. Roger appears in later books, of course, and I suspect the filmmakers didn't see any need to introduce him this early.

I think some of them were necessary. In this episode more than the next but I don't want them to continue too long.

I honestly can't think of more perfect casting for Jamie than Sam Heughan. He is everything I'd hoped for and more. It's amazing that a 34-year-old man can so convincingly play a 23-year-old. Even as himself, Sam doesn't look 34. Sam is the Jamie I picture now whenever I re-read any sections of the book.

See I still have a different Jamie in my head but the lusting has moved onto Sam. LOL I think Sam is and isn't Jamie. I mean he sure seems a heck of a lot like him and he does a great job playing him but like I said, I still see Jamie differently in my head. But I can have both... thankfully.

See sometimes I wondered if Sam could "be" 23. But in the show it seems like he's young.
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