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August 25 2014 @ 06:08 pm
103: The Way Out Discussion Post  
As always, make sure any revelations about aspects of the book or series which haven't been address or specifically stated as of this episode, are put behind the above spoiler cut.

Wow, this was truly a great episode so here are a few things I feel need discussion:

  1. How do you feel about the opening scene between Frank and Claire? People have accused Frank of being cold, do you feel this scene shows his affection for Claire?

  2. How did you feel about the "daydream sequence"? And for book fans, are you willing to trust Ron now?

  3. The medical scenes show up a bit more in this episode including Claire massaging Colum. Thoughts?

  4. Scene with Laoghaire, Claire and Jamie. Observations? Thoughts? Quite a few fans dislike Laoghaire but how did this scene make you feel towards her?

  5. There were a few more interactions with Jamie and Claire in this episode. What did you like? Anything you didn't?

  6. Geillis gets a bit more air time too. She also seemed to be prying into Claire's life. Do you think Geillis knows something or is she just interested in gossip? Note the red shoes!

  7. Claire gets on the bad side of Father Bain. Any thoughts on this?

  8. In the end, we hear Gwyllyn singing again and this time Jamie translates and tells Claire a story about a woman coming through the stones and returning to where she'd come from. What did you think? And did you love when Jamie finds Claire before this he asks her if she didn't not see him waving? Freakin' adorable.

  9. Likes? Dislikes?

Some notable things:
Ron Moore's Official Outlander Podcasts are now available on iTunes. There is a link to the right on the sidebar. Great to listen to while watching the show on mute.

AfterBuzz's After Show for episode 103 is now added to the Outlander Watch playlist post which can be found on the sidebar as well or just click here. Keetin, Roya, Kendra and Ryan are great at analyzing the show and seem to really enjoy everything about the show. Also, got another shout out. In their After Show for episode 2 they shouted out my Youtube name of Jill R but in this one they say sireesanwar (last shout out) which isn't exactly how you say it but close enough.

Last but not least a preview for next week's episode The Gathering.


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Jo Ann: Out: Claire looks asideyeuxdebleu on August 26th, 2014 01:55 am (UTC)
How do you feel about the opening scene between Frank and Claire? People have accused Frank of being cold, do you feel this scene shows his affection for Claire?

Yes, absolutely.

How did you feel about the "daydream sequence"? And for book fans, are you willing to trust Ron now?

It was an interesting addition, but I think viewers already understand that Claire feels no one would believe her if she told them how she got to 1743 Scotland. Not sure that scene was necessary, but I liked it.

The medical scenes show up a bit more in this episode including Claire massaging Colum. Thoughts?

Great scene. I loved when Colum asked her, "Do you not have demons in Oxfordshire?" and Claire replied, "Yes...we call them Scots." And Colum chuckled. The scene that preceded it with the tailor was great, too.

Scene with Laoghaire, Claire and Jamie. Observations? Thoughts? Quite a few fans dislike Laoghaire but how did this scene make you feel towards her?

Well, it's hard to say when I've read the books and now what she's capable of. But as an isolated incident, you had to feel a bit sorry for her because she obviously has a big crush on Jamie and he totally brushed her off.

There were a few more interactions with Jamie and Claire in this episode. What did you like? Anything you didn't?

The scene in the surgery where she checked his shoulder was hot, hot, hot!. Both were trying not to show what they feel for each other and failed. This is one of my favorite scenes so far. His explanation about not wanting Old Alec to see his back was a very sweet scene, too. Loved Jamie pulling the nail out of the boy's ear and his scene with Claire at the Black Kirk ruins. Jamie had a fleeting look of disappointment when grooming Donas and Claire said, "I'll never get away from here." It showed his awareness that his feelings for Claire are still mostly one-sided.

Geillis gets a bit more air time too. She also seemed to be prying into Claire's life. Do you think Geillis knows something or is she just interested in gossip? Note the red shoes!

Well, we know what Geillis knows, or at least suspects, so I'll say no more. She was obviously fishing...trying to draw Claire out. Loved the red shoes and Terry Dresbach's reasoning behind them.

Claire gets on the bad side of Father Bain. Any thoughts on this?

I thought the scene was brilliantly played. I shuddered at Father Bain's vehemence (and knowing what's to come.)

In the end, we hear Gwyllyn singing again and this time Jamie translates and tells Claire a story about a woman coming through the stones and returning to where she'd come from. What did you think?

I remember that Jamie translated the song for Claire, but not that particular translation. Was that from the book? I'll have to look it up.

And did you love when Jamie finds Claire before this he asks her if she didn't not see him waving? Freakin' adorable.

Yes, 'twas.

Likes? Dislikes?

I liked everything and disliked nothing. The bit with Geillis and her husband was priceless.

Off to watch AfterBuzz now.
Jill aka Jo: Outlander: Claire at the stonessireesanwar on August 26th, 2014 04:54 am (UTC)
1. I really think Claire and Frank's relationship is blossoming in these flashbacks.

2. I don't know if the scene was necessary but I liked the addition because it was almost instead of another voice over we get to see it as a daydream with Claire coming to the realization that no one would believe her.

3. I loved that Colum and Claire were civil and even joked together. And you get to see Colum's reaction to her humor by inviting her to the performance that night.

4. Well, I'm trying to isolate everything to just the episodes we've seen... otherwise I could really get to ranting. LOL But actually this scene in the book and in the show makes me feel bad for Laoghaire because she's so wants Jamie's attention but here we see him trying to get Claire's. It's just so great.

5. The scene in the surgery where she checked his shoulder was hot, hot, hot!. Both were trying not to show what they feel for each other and failed. This is one of my favorite scenes so far. His explanation about not wanting Old Alec to see his back was a very sweet scene, too. Loved Jamie pulling the nail out of the boy's ear and his scene with Claire at the Black Kirk ruins. Jamie had a fleeting look of disappointment when grooming Donas and Claire said, "I'll never get away from here." It showed his awareness that his feelings for Claire are still mostly one-sided.

I agree. Super hot scene. Jamie is clearly uncomfortable at first and then he's so into it like maybe he can get a kiss or something.

[Spoiler (click to open)]Also think it is a good parody of the wedding night still to come.

Yes, several times you see Jamie almost disappointed that Claire isn't turning her attentions on him.

6. When we first meet Geillis in episode 2, I wasn't sure I would have trusted her but all the fishing she did in this episode makes me want to run screaming or at least have Claire do it. (I'm trying to pretend I haven't read the books. LOL)

7. I loved it too because it was a much more powerful scene for Father Bain's hatred and mistrust of Claire than in the book. Sometimes it bothers me when religious men are portrayed as bad but in this case the man couldn't leave room for common sense let alone science.

8. The song wasn't exactly the same in the book but very close. But this way it plays into Claire's desire to leave.

Jamie clearly has a crush.

9. I too loved all of the show but I'll admit sometimes the voice overs are annoying.
Jo Annyeuxdebleu on August 27th, 2014 01:55 am (UTC)
If there is such a thing as eye sex, the scene with Claire unbuttoning Jamie's shirt and the way he's staring at her is a perfect example.

[Spoiler (click to open)]"Also think it is a good parody of the wedding night still to come."


It was kind of like a rehearsal. LOL I think the scene where Dougal tells Claire she's marrying Jamie, the wedding and, of course, the wedding night itself are all going to be awesome. And I can't wait to see Jamie "resplendent", as Claire describes him, in his Fraser tartan, ruffled shirt, etc. I'm looking forward to that as much as Claire's wedding gown.


Edited at 2014-08-27 01:56 am (UTC)
Jill aka Jo: Stock: Bear drinking Starbuckssireesanwar on August 28th, 2014 12:50 am (UTC)
It is true and I believe Jamie and Claire invented eye sex.

Me too... to your spoiler.
Jo Ann: Out: Geillisyeuxdebleu on August 26th, 2014 04:48 am (UTC)
I just finished watching "After Buzz" and like you, I got a shout-out. Mine was the second name mentioned. It is quite amusing to watch these people discuss each episode without spoilers since all of them except Ryan have read the book. I'd be putting my foot in my mouth over and over if I were on that show.
Jill aka Jo: Happy: Calvin Smilesireesanwar on August 26th, 2014 04:56 am (UTC)
Probably me too though I have to commend Keetin for being able to rein that in. Part of me wants to jump in there and join that show!

Very cool. We both got a shout out.
catteocatteo on August 27th, 2014 01:21 am (UTC)
1. I'm actually really surprised at what a good job they're doing of making me feel the love that Frank has for Claire. I think that a number of people who haven't read the books are still very much team Frank at this stage and that basically tells me that Ron has done really well. I think that if I didn't know what was coming, I'd probably be totally on board with Claire trying to get back to Frank at this point. Interestingly though I think that they're also managing to show that Claire is somehow romanticising the reality of her and Frank - I was under the impression that the initial flashback was what truly happened and then when she's 'jealous' later on and there's the brief almost-kiss flashback that was her imagining what she wanted to happen rather than what was actually represented in the earlier scene.

2. I liked the daydream sequence, even though I was pretty convinced that was all it was going to turn out to be, but then I've read the books. For those that haven't I thought that it was an effective way to show that Claire has an inherent understanding of what's going on around her and how dangerous the situation actually could be for her.

3. I think that the medical stuff is so much a part of who Claire is that they have to show a lot of it. Particularly since I'm sure that Ron went into this hoping that he's going to be able to have 8+ seasons! I find it fascinating. I loved the scene with Claire and Colum primarily because it showed that she knows her stuff and he respects her knowledge even if he may have no idea what she's up to.

4. I really want to hate Laoghaire but it's so easy to understand her motivations that I kind of can't. She's obviously allowed herself to progress the relationship in her head way beyond anything that's happening in reality and would no doubt be writing Laoghaire + Jamie 4eva in her notebook if she had one. I guess that I feel more sorry for her than anything else because she basically has zero clue what she's up against.

5. I adored everything Jamie and Claire. How could you not. I love that they were able to show that the two of them are on the same wavelength and make a great team which is basically my favourite thing about them as a couple. And the eye sexing was pretty awesome too.

6. I feel as though the foreshadowing with Geillis is massively more obvious here than in the books? Is that just me? I don't know if it's because I know what's coming or if they're conciously trying to make it clear that there is something very off about her. With the books I was totally shocked at the reveal but I'm not sure how many people will be that shocked when it comes on the TV show. Loved her red shoes though I thought that was excellent. Love the costumes as a whole.

7. Father Bain was superbly creepy and I just wanted Claire to realise how much shit she was getting herself into.

8. I ADORED Jamie saving a seat for Claire and translating the song for her. And I think it was a great way of showing that, for all that Claire has been so cynical of the superstition that she's surrounded by, she's not immune to it herself.

9. Liked basically everything. I'm not even really noticing the voiceover stuff so much now. And I'm a big fan of it being all the 1700s all the time!

Also loving your episode discussion posts!
Jo Ann: Out: Jamie Claire closeup eyesyeuxdebleu on August 27th, 2014 02:02 am (UTC)
I'm not even really noticing the voiceover stuff so much now.

Same here. I never minded the voice overs in the first place, but many people did. I personally don't need them because I've read the books, but I think they're helpful for viewers who haven't. My husband (who hasn't read the book) said he finds them beneficial. As the saying goes, you can't please everyone.
catteocatteo on August 27th, 2014 02:16 am (UTC)
In total agreement with you about the fact that the non-readers really need the voiceovers. Because I think that getting that insight into Claire is so important. Unless you'd heard it from her, would you really believe that she loved Frank given everything that's about to come next? I wouldn't. I suspect that the whole premise would seem utterly nuts without the knowledge that Claire loves Frank and is trying to hard to rebuild a life with him. I think that's also why it was so good that much of the first episode was so focused on them and their marriage - frustrating though it might have been to those of us that just wanted to see Jamie already - and that was another complaint that I saw. I wonder if some of the reviewers let the fact that they'd seen more than the first episode, or maybe read the book, colour their opinions a little. Interesting that your hubby as a non book reader finds them helpful - I wouldn't be at all surprised if that's a common finding.
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Jill aka Jo: Outlander: Jamie circlesireesanwar on August 28th, 2014 12:45 am (UTC)
1. I agree. I can't believe how sympathetic I am to Frank.

Going back to 101 Sassenach when Frank asks about infidelity; I got mad at him. Not because he asked but because in experience to me that means he did... of course this is my specializations.

Gosh, I keep hearing about the flashbacks and people wondering if they are all real and I'm stumped. Did they happen? Is that Claire's romanticized version? No idea.

2. Oh yes. I tend to hate these kind of fake outs but this I liked because we saw Claire thinking about it...

[Spoiler (click to open)]Which will be a nice lead in when she has to tell Jamie.

3. So true. I love her capability. She's smart which to me seems like why Jamie keeps giving her that smile. *fans self* The scene with Colum just goes to prove how much she knows.

And one can only hope they get 8+ seasons.

4. I think Jamie kissing her made her start thinking she was all his. But I agree. It is hard to hate her now. In fact, I don't. She is just a girl with a huge crush on a guy who seems to be giving mixed signals... naughty Jamie.

5. Yes! Working together in this episode was brilliant. It was so awesome. I always wondered how that scene would translate to screen and it was brilliant.

The eye sexing is so hot. I can't even believe the chemistry there.

6. I think it is too. I feel like the show is pointing at her and say, "watch her... she's going to surprise you." But I never trusted Geillis. I kind of liked her but never trusted her. Lotte is fantastic though.

Terry is brilliant with the costumes.

7. But without spoiling anything, we know Claire is good and stepping in it. I liked that this showed it. She sometimes shoots herself in the foot.

8. Great point. She doesn't buy into the devils, faeries and such but she bought it when it came to her situation. Good point.

I loved that Jamie was "waving his arm" to get her attention. They should have showed us that.

9. Me either. I mean sometimes I do but overall it all seems necessary.

Thanks. I'm trying to listen to some of the podcasts which bring up amazing points and then apply them here... they'll get better hopefully.
catteo: [outlander]jamie look into the pastcatteo on August 28th, 2014 02:36 am (UTC)
I'm sure that Frank was unfaithful to Claire - that is very much implied in the books although never explicitly stated with regards to the war years. Stuff that comes after sort of confirms it for me though.

I'd be pretty optimistic that they're going to get a few seasons out of this given how well it seems to be doing ratings-wise. Although I have to say that all the Scottish stuff is far and away my favourite and part of me wonders how on earth I'm going to handle S2. Probably by getting a lot of whiskey and tissues.
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Jo Ann: Fingers crossed for luckyeuxdebleu on August 27th, 2014 02:49 am (UTC)
I watched the Emmys last night and kept wondering if Outlander would get a lot of nominations next year. I think it definitely should. And that would greatly encourage Starz to keep doing the series.
Jill aka Jo: Misc: Excited Owlsireesanwar on August 28th, 2014 12:51 am (UTC)
Great minds and all that!

So was I. I was like they'd be up for Drama. And Ron should win and I wonder what episodes would be nominated.

LOL - I hope they are.
Jo Ann: Out: Jamie Claire fr Pitifulyeuxdebleu on August 28th, 2014 02:40 am (UTC)
Well, I hope they nominate Outlander in the appropriate category. Some shows this year weren't. It should definitely be nominated in the mini-series category, assuming that's a category. I'm just afraid if they put it in drama or made-for-TV movie it will have too much competition. We'll see. And yes, Ron should definitely be nominated...Sam, Tobias and Caitriona, too, but that probably won't happen for the cast members. It's hard to say when we've only seen three episodes.
Jill aka Josireesanwar on August 29th, 2014 09:31 pm (UTC)
Really, see and I don't think it should be in a mini-series category but I do agree it might do the best there.
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