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April 06 2015 @ 03:38 pm
109: "The Reckoning" Discussion Post  
As always, all book talk that doesn't pertain to the episodes we've seen is a SPOILER. Please use the SPOILER cut below.


Quick Cap:
Jamie learns Randall is the one who committed the murder he is blamed for which will do him no good in clearing his name. Willie rides up with new of Claire's capture. Jamie saves Claire from a very saddistic Black Jack Randall who is about to make good on all those threats to rape her when Jamie comes through the window. Jamie tricks BJR with an unloaded pistol and then knocks BJR out to save Claire. They flee Fort William by jumping off the outer wall into water.

On the side of the road, Jamie and Claire have a knockdown drag out but Jamie quickly realizes things are getting out of hand and tells her how scared he was to hear her scream. Claire apologizes for not listening to him and he apologizes for the things he said. When they arrive at the tavern to rendevous with Dougal, Claire realizes the men are angry with her and hopes they will forgive her. Murtagh tells Jamie Claire doesn't understand what she did and Jamie realizes he'd going to have to meet out justice 18th century style. Jamie joins Claire upstairs where Jamie is supposed to give her a good swatting but she fights like the dickens and even kicks him in the face BUTT in the end she gets her swats... and Jamie realizes that is going to put a wrench in happily ever after.

Back and Leoch Jamie gets in the middle of Castle politics when Colum takes the gold meant for the Jacobites effectively make the clan divide. Colum takes Jamie's advice and gives the gold to Dougal while bidding his time about what side to take in the Jacobite Cause. And if that wasn't rocky enough, Laoghaire is rather upset at Jamie's wedded status and apparently leaves a ill omen under Jamie and Claire's bed. But Jamie hasn't been sleeping in that bed with a rather angry Claire so to remedy that he makes her a pledge and she rocks his world... but not in bed... on the floor.

Discussion Points:

  1. Let's just get too it. What did you think of Claire's punishment?

  2. Talk about a nasty fight! What did you think of Claire's POV and Jamie's POV in that fight?

  3. Did you like that the episode was from Jamie's POV?

  4. Were you stunned that Dougal just came out and said he fathered Hamish?

  5. What did you think of Jamie's influence in the political climate of the McKenzie Clan?

  6. What did you think of Laoghaire (Leery) in this episode? The ill omen under the bed?

Feel free to pose anything else you wish to discuss from this episode or previous episodes. No spoilers please!

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Jo Ann: Out: Dougalyeuxdebleu on April 6th, 2015 11:38 pm (UTC)
What did you think of Claire's punishment?
I thought it was perfectly fitting for the customs of the time.

What did you think of Claire's POV and Jamie's POV in that fight?
I thought they both made good points based on Claire being a
20th century woman and Jamie being an 18th century man.

Did you like that the episode was from Jamie's POV?
Yes, very much.

Were you stunned that Dougal just came out and said he fathered Hamish?
Yes, because I think his mouth got ahead of the brain. In a
calmer situation, I don't think he would have ever said that.

What did you think of Jamie's influence in the political climate of the McKenzie Clan?
I thought he showed true brilliance as a mediator, just as he walked
a fine line at the oath taking.

What did you think of Laoghaire (Leery) in this episode?
Honestly, I almost felt sorry for her. I don't think Jamie realized
how she felt and was caught off guard. Had that not been the case,
I think he would have told Laoghaire that he loved Claire. Instead,
he left her thinking it was a loveless arranged marriage. Big
mistake, Jamie boy.



Edited at 2015-04-06 11:39 pm (UTC)
wings128: Outlander!logowings128 on April 7th, 2015 12:10 am (UTC)
I thought it was perfectly fitting for the customs of the time.
LOL! Amen, sister! Ummmm...I should've just written that too. *hides* ;)
Jill aka Jo: Outlander: Logosireesanwar on April 7th, 2015 11:44 pm (UTC)
Me too. I really think Claire's punishment is justified.

And as for their fight it was clearly a meeting of two totally different minds and one thing that Jamie won't understand until he knows the big secret.

I was stunned Dougal said he was Hamish's father but he seemed hotheaded at the time like you said and I think he knows both Ned and Jamie kind of guessed.

I think Jamie did good as a mediator too but I also found it odd that Colum even considered him a option as an heir because I thought both Colum and Dougal didn't want that.

Oh yes. I the L got a little mislead in this episode and wow what a forward girl for her times coming to Jamie in the 18th century equivelant of naked under her cloak. WOW
raktajinos: P&Praktajinos on April 8th, 2015 06:07 am (UTC)
I don't understand how Claire's punishment is justified? Did she endanger them, yup. Should there be consequences, yup....but she's an adult. You don't spank an adult. She's capable of understanding the risk she put them all in and she won't do it again. You spank a child, not a grown adult.
Jill aka Josireesanwar on April 8th, 2015 10:17 pm (UTC)
See I think the punishment for a woman back then would have been similar to an adult. I mean we've seen how a man takes a punishment what will Jamie getting punched. They aren't doing that to a woman which shows they know the difference in abuse.

Jamie even says that a man could be flogged or worse.

There was going to be a punishment no matter what. So the question is what is the punishment and frankly I would have picked the spanking over any other options of the time.