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April 06 2015 @ 03:38 pm
109: "The Reckoning" Discussion Post  
As always, all book talk that doesn't pertain to the episodes we've seen is a SPOILER. Please use the SPOILER cut below.

Quick Cap:
Jamie learns Randall is the one who committed the murder he is blamed for which will do him no good in clearing his name. Willie rides up with new of Claire's capture. Jamie saves Claire from a very saddistic Black Jack Randall who is about to make good on all those threats to rape her when Jamie comes through the window. Jamie tricks BJR with an unloaded pistol and then knocks BJR out to save Claire. They flee Fort William by jumping off the outer wall into water.

On the side of the road, Jamie and Claire have a knockdown drag out but Jamie quickly realizes things are getting out of hand and tells her how scared he was to hear her scream. Claire apologizes for not listening to him and he apologizes for the things he said. When they arrive at the tavern to rendevous with Dougal, Claire realizes the men are angry with her and hopes they will forgive her. Murtagh tells Jamie Claire doesn't understand what she did and Jamie realizes he'd going to have to meet out justice 18th century style. Jamie joins Claire upstairs where Jamie is supposed to give her a good swatting but she fights like the dickens and even kicks him in the face BUTT in the end she gets her swats... and Jamie realizes that is going to put a wrench in happily ever after.

Back and Leoch Jamie gets in the middle of Castle politics when Colum takes the gold meant for the Jacobites effectively make the clan divide. Colum takes Jamie's advice and gives the gold to Dougal while bidding his time about what side to take in the Jacobite Cause. And if that wasn't rocky enough, Laoghaire is rather upset at Jamie's wedded status and apparently leaves a ill omen under Jamie and Claire's bed. But Jamie hasn't been sleeping in that bed with a rather angry Claire so to remedy that he makes her a pledge and she rocks his world... but not in bed... on the floor.

Discussion Points:

  1. Let's just get too it. What did you think of Claire's punishment?

  2. Talk about a nasty fight! What did you think of Claire's POV and Jamie's POV in that fight?

  3. Did you like that the episode was from Jamie's POV?

  4. Were you stunned that Dougal just came out and said he fathered Hamish?

  5. What did you think of Jamie's influence in the political climate of the McKenzie Clan?

  6. What did you think of Laoghaire (Leery) in this episode? The ill omen under the bed?

Feel free to pose anything else you wish to discuss from this episode or previous episodes. No spoilers please!

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wings128: Outlander!logowings128 on April 8th, 2015 09:22 am (UTC)
Yes, they may have married at Dougal's command, but Jamie's seen his parent's marriage, known his mother to be of strong will, and I'm wondering if that image is with him as he considers his and Claire's road ahead. Thoughts of what his father might have felt at the start of what must seem an arduous journey with no road markers to keep him on track, lol.

I do indeed feel for Laoghaire, and I think that's a little like the way this show made us feel for Frank when he heard Claire screaming for him through the stones. These are characters we've decided to hate, and we know their future deeds, and yet here we are learning a new understanding for who they really are, and how that drives their actions.
Jill aka Jo: Outlander: Nurse Clairesireesanwar on April 8th, 2015 10:11 pm (UTC)

For me, at this point, I feel badly for Frank even if I don't want him with Claire. But I still dislike L a lot. Not only is she throwing her self at a married man but then she's going all territorial on Claire when Claire is married to Jamie. And Jamie told her he wouldn't break her vows. Not okay L.
wings128: Outlander!logowings128 on April 8th, 2015 11:45 pm (UTC)
I agree completely with your thoughts on L, but I am enjoying the expansion of her PoV that we miss in the books because they're mainly Claire's PoV. I like complexity, lol.
Jill aka Josireesanwar on April 8th, 2015 11:50 pm (UTC)
Oh me too. Because in the books we are thinking... she's crazy but here we actually get to see Jamie kind of lead her on. I mean sure he ignored her when she was sitting with him and Claire but then the kissing and the punishment. It is just a different context here and it seems more like Jamie made some bad decisions.
wings128: Outlander!logowings128 on April 8th, 2015 11:54 pm (UTC)
As a young man of his age is wont to do on occasion ;)
Jill aka Jo: Outlander: Jamie Frasersireesanwar on April 8th, 2015 11:56 pm (UTC)
True story.

Oh Jamie. But on the flip side... who can honestly blame L? The man is hot.
wings128: Outlander!Jamie-whiteshirtwings128 on April 8th, 2015 11:59 pm (UTC)
*nods wisely* Aye, that he is, that he is.