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September 01 2015 @ 04:17 pm
The White Queen  

The White Queen is a riveting tale of love and lust, betrayal and murder, vibrantly woven through the stories of three different, yet equally relentless women -- Elizabeth Woodville, Margaret Beaufort and Anne Neville. In their quest for power, they will scheme, manipulate and seduce their way onto the English throne.

Did anyone ever watch this short Starz series? I think I watched it two years ago, but I'm not sure and I loved it. I really wish they'd continued through the entire Philippa Gregory Cousins' War series.
wings128: Film!popcornwings128 on September 1st, 2015 11:20 pm (UTC)
Yes, I've watched it, loved it, haven't read the book; though I was a fan of Philippa Gregory's style once upon a time.

Edit: whoops! One L, two P's, lol.

Edited at 2015-09-01 11:21 pm (UTC)
Jill aka Jo: Castle: Space Cowboysireesanwar on September 1st, 2015 11:34 pm (UTC)
I really enjoyed the historical nature of this story and when it gets to her sons who are the missing princes who went into the Tower. Oh man, so intriguing.

I have a hard time reading Gregory's books but listening to them works well.
wings128: Readingwings128 on September 1st, 2015 11:41 pm (UTC)
The only one I had trouble with was Wide Acre :/
Jill aka Josireesanwar on September 3rd, 2015 04:18 pm (UTC)
I never actually go to that one either.
Jo Ann: Movies; HOLLYWOOD signyeuxdebleu on September 2nd, 2015 12:06 am (UTC)
OMG! I loved this series. It was the first time I'd seen Rebecca Ferguson and I loved her. I'm a big fan of Max Irons (Jeremy's son) and Amanda Hale (Lady Margaret), James Frain (Lord Warwick), David Oakes (George), Janet McTeer (Jacquetta) and many others in the cast, including Eleanor "Demelza" Tomlinson as one of the Neville sisters.

If you liked Rebecca, too, you should definitely track down The Red Tent. It was aired in a 3-4 episode mini-series on Lifetime and has a wonderful cast. She's also playing Anna in the film adaptation of The Girl on the Train - a book we both liked.

Here's the trailer for The Red Tent.

Jill aka Jo: Outlander: 1743 Clairesireesanwar on September 3rd, 2015 04:20 pm (UTC)
I do love Rebecca! I loved her in MI5 and in The White Queen. She's amazing! I did hear about that miniseries but didn't watch it. I'll see if it is on Prime or find some other way to track it down.

Oh I definitely want to see The Girl on the Train. That would be so good and with Rebecca! Exciting.
Heather: Once; Red Riding Hoodingenu0us on September 3rd, 2015 08:38 pm (UTC)
I enjoyed "The Red Tent" as well! But I couldn't help but laugh with all the parallels to "The White Queen", however accidental or my reading too much into it. ;)

I'll have to watch for "The Girl on the Train"!
Jo Ann: Adam:  Hmm thinking GIFyeuxdebleu on September 4th, 2015 03:44 am (UTC)
Hmm, I hadn't thought about the parallels with "The White Queen" until you mentioned it, but there definitely are some.

I'm looking forward to "The Girl on the Train" move, too, because I loved the book.
calandra_ljcalandra_lj on September 2nd, 2015 06:46 pm (UTC)
I watched it a while ago, but I didn't like it much. In the end I only finished the show because I hate stopping in the middle and because I enjoyed some of the actors' performances.
I can't even really say why I didn't like it; there were just lots of little things that bothered me.
Jill aka Josireesanwar on September 3rd, 2015 04:22 pm (UTC)
Oh too bad. Okay so was there something else you watched that was truly good in a period piece/historical?

Doesn't matter if it is old or new.
calandra_ljcalandra_lj on September 3rd, 2015 09:55 pm (UTC)
There's probably a list :D I adore historical fiction (which is probably another reason I was so disappointed by The White Queen; one of my favourite genres and I just couldn't get into it).

Let's see... North & South is amazing. It's mostly a romance, but it's set in 19th century England and shows the difference between the industrial north and the agrarian south. It shows the political and social struggles of the time, too: the conditions factory workers lived in, the creation of (one of?) the first unions, workers' strike, and so on.
It's an adaptation of Elizabeth Gaskell's novel, and it's incredibly well made. The writing and acting are superb, the soundtrack is beautiful, and I'm going to stop now before I spend three paragraphs waxing poetic about cinematography.

Another period piece that comes to mind is The Devil's Whore. The title is a bit misleading; there are implications that the main character is a witch, but they're fairly rare and the story focusses mainly on Cromwell's revolution.

There's quite a list of TV series I watch(ed) and liked too, but I should stop before this post gets too long. ^^
Jill aka Jo: RA: North & South Thorton and Margsireesanwar on September 3rd, 2015 11:17 pm (UTC)
I love North & South! Oh my goodness I truly loved that one. I just watched it again recently because it is a favorite. I got the novel as well but have yet to read it.

I haven't seen that one. I should look for it.
Kaylee Winchesterroguem on September 3rd, 2015 10:39 am (UTC)
I've heard about this series. Is it still going or was it cancelled?
Jill aka Jo: Outlander: J&C close b&wsireesanwar on September 3rd, 2015 04:24 pm (UTC)
I don't think either. I think it was only meant to be a one season deal. But I can't be sure. I think it is only like 10 episodes or 12. I think it goes over the first few books in the Cousins' War series by Gregory.

I really enjoyed it though and I loved Rebecca Ferguson. I'm so excited she's doing more.
Kaylee Winchesterroguem on September 6th, 2015 10:38 am (UTC)
Will have to see if it's on Netflix and add it to my watchlist then.
Heather: The White Queen; Richard IIIingenu0us on September 3rd, 2015 08:35 pm (UTC)
"The White Queen" is one of my absolute favourites! Though I'll be the first to recognize its flaws, from inaccurate historical details to Philippa Gregory's writing.

BUT it introduced me to the Wars of the Roses period, and I love the characters and relationships, and the actors are wonderful. Rebecca Ferguson and Max Irons are perfect as Elizabeth Woodville and Edward IV, and I love Janet McTeer as Jacquetta Woodville.

It's one that I love to watch over and over again. I personally love this part of history, and this miniseries, better than the Tudor era. It is neat to see the beginning of the Tudors, with Henry VII and Elizabeth of York. It's too bad we can't see more of them.
Jill aka Jo: Arrow: Time to be a superherosireesanwar on September 3rd, 2015 09:53 pm (UTC)
Yes, but I've always taken Gregory's stories and then read up on the real events which are fascinating themselves.

The Wars of Roses period is really interesting but it is sad that it lead into the Tudors which turned out to have some of the most notoriously bad years in there. But history is history. I loved the Tudors show but if real like was anything like the show then it amazes me more people didn't just die from the stress of it all.

I just read the White Princess which is supposed to be about Henry VII and Elizabeth of York. History is a little vague on them but I have to wonder if Gregory's idea that Henry VII was a bit like his son Henry VIII has merit. Some of his choices in history were very much similar to the grand overreaches of Henry VIII.
Heather: Once; Snow Whiteingenu0us on September 4th, 2015 04:11 am (UTC)
I read "The White Princess" also, but I hated Gregory's take on Henry VII and Elizabeth of York. I think there is evidence that they loved each other, and at the very least it isn't necessary that she leans towards so much rape in her stories general.

I'm of the overall impression that Henry VII was quite different from his son. Henry VII was very strict (and probably much more harsh after his wife's death) because he was establishing his rule coming out of the Wars of the Roses in very unstable times.

Henry VIII wasn't brought up as the heir so he unexpectedly had the role thrust on him and had the pressure of continuing the Tudor reign. He probably enjoyed the freedoms of the riches of court but also had the pressures of providing an heir—a son—which was the defining sign that he was blessed by God and his rule would continue.

I saw a documentary that included a segment on how it's easy to paint Henry VIII and the Tudors in general as a bit crazy, but it's hard to understand how much Henry VIII would've felt he needed a son. When years and years go by and he goes through two wives with no son, it's enough to make any sane ruler do questionable things, especially when he can have anything that money can buy.

I've also heard the theory that his parents were so in love, and that Henry VIII spent his life trying recreate that for himself. However much or little truth there is in that, I personally love the idea of romanticizing Henry VII and Elizabeth of York, at least in fictionalized story-telling.

It really is fascinating that they produced Henry VIII! Sometimes I forget that there are only a couple of generations separating Henry VIII from Edward IV and Elizabeth Woodville.

(Plus I also love that Jacquetta Woodville and Elizabeth Woodville and Elizabeth of York's descendants trace down to the current royal family!)

Whew, sorry I can go on and on about them. Everyone knows the later years of the Tudor era, but it would be lovely to see more about the beginning of it! I'd love to see a miniseries continue, but not with Gregory's take on events.
Jill aka Jo: TP: Dual MPsireesanwar on September 8th, 2015 10:59 pm (UTC)
See I actually liked the take on Henry VII and Elizabeth of York's story. I can't say she's right but it would strike me as odd that he never doubted his York wife.

Yeah, I see that but in historical facts he seemed heartless at times and that could just be the burden of monarchy but he did abolish the sanctuary of the church which I find a little wrong.

Yep and that is a failure on Henry VII. Just because you have an heir doesn't mean you aren't to teach the spare about his duty should the heir die. Especially in that day and age. It always struck me as rather foolish.

See and I've always seen that as the crazy part. Back then they had a definitely idea of duty to their beliefs and the rules of those beliefs and Henry VIII always saw himself as above those things. He was the King to say he was above God which being religious baffles me. He really had nerve which most Kings did but it matters little if his wife didn't produce an heir. That was the life he chose and to get an annulment so he could move on. Rather arrogant of him. And definitely goes against a lot of what he was taught.

I love that too. I love that Elizabeth Woodville and Jacquetta Woodville by extension are realted to all Kings or Queens since. Their legacy resonates.

I get why you don't love Gregory's take but I find I lean toward her telling more.