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April 18 2016 @ 03:50 pm
DP: Through A Glass, Darkly (201) & Not In Scotland Anymore (202)  
Sorry I'm so behind. I got rather sick last week and missed the opportunity to discuss the episode.

Quick Recap:
In Through A Glass, Darkly; Claire returns to 1948 and is devastated by losing Jamie. In the hospital, Frank tells Claire how happy he is to see her but when he approaches to embrace her she flashes to Black Jack Randall and flinches. Frank pulls back and then sees her clothing. Claire and Frank stay with Reverend Wakefield who has a healthy collection of books about the Jacobite Rising. Claire scours the books for an account of what happened at Culloden and the fate of Jamie Fraser. Later, in Claire's room, she tells Frank where she's been but is a bit annoyed when he decides to believe her and accept that she loved Jamie. Claire drops one more bombshell. She's pregnant and the baby is Jamie's. Frank doesn't take this well but comes to a realization after discussing the matter with Reverend Wakefield. Frank tells Claire he wants to raise the baby as theirs but he wants her to stop looking for Jamie in history. Claire agrees and the two move to Boston to get away from the British press.

[Read More...]In 1745, Claire and Jamie arrive in Le Havre. Jamie's life feels shattered after being raped, but Claire is determined to hold it together and shift his mind to other things. Claire and Jamie discuss their plans to stop the Rising and while Jamie wants to help the Jacobites win; Claire tells him she doesn't know enough for them to attempt to further the cause. Jamie seems reluctant but wonders when he's not been up for a challenge.

Jamie and Claire meet with his cousin Jared Fraser about being introduced to Jacobite leaders and when Jared questions why Jamie suddenly wants to be part of the cause; Jamie shows Jared his back. Jared offers Jamie a job and his home.

While Jamie and Jared are occupied, Claire goes for a stroll on the docks and discovers and outbreak of smallpox aboard a ship. After confirming the diagnosis with the Port Official the Comte St. Germain confronts her about her involvement which has led to the destruction of his ship and cargo. Jared warns both Jamie and Claire they've made an enemy.

In Not In Scotland Anymore, Jamie and Claire have taken up residence in Jared's Paris home. Claire goes off to the apothecary shop and meets Master Raymond who knows a bit about her. Claire is seeking something to help Jamie sleep and Raymond obliges her. Meanwhile, Jamie and Murtagh are sparing in the park which brings to attention of the crowd, as Jamie explains because dueling is illegal.

When Jamie returns home Claire gives him a letter from Jared which arranged and introduction with Charles Stuart at a brothel. Jamie and Murtagh go and tell the Prince that the Clans are not ready for his arrival in Scotland because they seem to fight amongst themselves.

Back at the house; Claire, Jamie and Murtagh discuss trying to prevent Charles from gaining funds and she's hoping Louis de la Tour will help her gain admittance to court. Claire goes for a visit and finds Louis getting a wax. Claire is introduced to Mary Hawkins who is horrified by Louis's French boldness. Claire recognizes the name but is unsure why.

Claire returns shaved as well much to the interest of Jamie. As they begin to make love, Jamie starts having flashbacks of his rape and Claire tells him they will just sleep.

Claire and Jamie are headed to court when Claire comes down in her red dress much to Jamie's horror. He can see down to her naval. They head to court where then meet Annalise and old crush of Jamie's. Annalise takes Jamie to the King's dressing room while Claire socializes with the woman of court.

Claire goes out for a breath of air and Louis tells the Monsieur Duverney that Claire wishes to speak with him. He gets the wrong idea and makes advances towards her. Shes tries to fight him off. Jamie pulls him off and tosses him over the side of the bridge into the water below. Monsieur Duverney begs their forgiveness and tells them his wife will kill him if she were to find out. Claire tells him there is no need for that to happen and he asks if he can be of service. Jamie wants his friendship and Duverney wonders if Jamie is good at chess.

The King appears and jokes about Duverney's dip in the water.

They spot the Duke of Sandringham and Murtagh nearly draws his weapon in the presence of the King (instant death sentence). The Duke tells Jamie that he was going to send in the Petition of Complaint but that Randall took if from him and he had no choice. Jamie tries to be forgiving. Claire sends Jamie off to get acquainted with their new friend the Minister of Finance. Sandringham makes a few jabs at Claire and Claire points out he's a traitor as a Jacobite.

Alex Randall appears and is introduced to Claire who is surprised by his presence. Sandringham says that Jonathan and Claire are well acquainted and Alex says he'll have to mention her in his letter to his brother. Claire is stunned that Jack Randall isn't dead and worries about Jamie finding out. She wonders if she should be the one to tell him. Claire knows that Jamie will eventually learn the truth.

Now the question is what did you think of the episodes?
Poll #2042610 How Many Kilts?

How many kilts would you give Through A Glass, Darkly?

1 - Not a fan, ya ken?
2 - It was Outlander.
3 - I liked it fine.
4 - Really Good
5 - Bloody Awesome

How many kilts would you give Not In Scotland Anymore?

1 - Not a fan, ya ken?
2 - It was Outlander.
3 - I liked it fine.
4 - Really Good
5 - Bloody Awesome

Now Let's Discuss Through A Glass, Darkly:

  1. Was there anything about Through A Glass, Darkly you didn't feel was true to the story?

  2. How did you feel about Frank's reaction to Claire being pregnant?

  3. What did you like most about the episode?

  4. What did you like least about the episode?

  5. Was it just me or did the idea that Claire was going to take of Jamie's ring upset you?

Now Onto Not In Scotland Anymore:

  1. What did you think of the red dress?

  2. And the nipple dress?

  3. Is anyone else annoyed with Murtagh's dislike of France?

  4. How did you feel about Jamie's interactions with Charles Stuart?

  5. Did you hate the Duke of Sandringham as much as I did?

  6. Do you think Claire should come out and tell Jamie about BJR's survival?

Feel free to pose anything else you wish to discuss from this episode or my review/recap. No spoilers please!

Through A Glass, Darkly did well in the ratings. They pulled in 1.46 million viewers as reported by TV By The Numbers.

Next Week On Outlander:

Jill aka Jo: Movie: Avengers Hulk Fist Bumpsireesanwar on April 19th, 2016 07:03 pm (UTC)
1. I was a little annoyed with the idea that Claire was considering taking off Jamie's ring. This to me didn't feel true to form. Claire is clearly distraught over losing Jamie and while she's willing to put that part of her life behind her to be able to move one... I can't see the ring being part of that. She wasn't willing to go without Frank's ring (not that Jamie asked it of her) so it seems unlikely.

2. I really felt bad for Frank in this episode but I have to say the moment he rose above her with his fist clinched I felt like all my years of disliking him were justified. I just feel like he's got some BJR in there.

3. Claire's return. Her numbness. Her foreignness. Her agony. I cried so hard.

4. Honestly, the only thing I didn't love was that half of it was in 1948.

5. Like I said above.

1. I thought it was beautiful if a bit wide. I get that in part that was the style but I think Claire's was the only dress that wide. Seemed a little odd to me. But her shoes! Those were better than Geillis.

2. I know that this was in the book but I didn't need that.

3. I didn't mind in the first episode and even a little grumbling would be fine but enough already. I get he's a curmudgeon but it's a bit much.

4. I don't know if I missed something subtle here but he's discouragement of Charles just seemed more like he wasn't a Jacobite rather than he wanted the Prince to come to Scotland. I would think Charles would have ended their association right there.

5. Oh my I wanted Murtagh to run him through. Kill the bastard. He's the most horrible man (next to BJR)! I did like Alex even though we didn't really get to know him... but Jamie meeting him should be interesting.

6. They have that promise not to lie to one another so I would say yes... but I really don't want her to have to tell him. Jamie is suffering enough with the idea that BJR is dead. I don't want him to have to know BJR is alive and well.
siobhan63siobhan63 on April 19th, 2016 11:05 pm (UTC)
I adored ep. 1. Tour de force performances from Cait and Tobias. I could have handled a whole show of just the two of them after Claire's return. The first 35+ minutes were just gut-wrenching.

I have to say that I found the second ep a bit rushed. I get that there are only 13 episodes this season rather than 16, but I felt they were rushing too much to set up everything. I understand that they have to, but it irked me somewhat. I was also not overly thrilled with some of the editorial decisions they made -- most notably how Alex was introduced. In the book, both Claire and Jamie actually mistake him for BJR because he looks so much like him, but here, Claire didn't seem to notice any initial resemblance and Jamie hasn't even met him. And making Mary a ward of sorts of Louise de Rohan? That didn't make much sense to me either. I don't expect things to be JUST LIKE THE BOOK, but... it just felt really rushed.
Jill aka Josireesanwar on April 20th, 2016 12:14 am (UTC)
I did as well. I really loved episode 1. Cait and Tobias did a remarkable job and it was gut-wrenching in the extreme. I don't know that I could have dealt with a full episode of that but it would have left us wanting more...

Yes! I wasn't really keen on the second episode. Alex's introduction is a big issue for me too. I think the impact of Jamie being shocked by his presence would have been better but they gave Murtagh the nearly drawing a sword in the King's presence.

I agree. Things felt rushed. I could live with Louise taking Mary under her wing and it makes sense just in case they want to prolong a surprise later (shhh) but for Mary to be practically living with her? That seemed unnecessary.
siobhan63siobhan63 on April 20th, 2016 09:53 pm (UTC)
Although Murtagh drew his sword (almost) over spotting the Duke of Sandringham, not Alex. I don't think Alex was even in the room at that point. I've only watched that ep once so might be wrong on that last bit. But Murtagh was definitely reacting to seeing the Duke, not Alex.
Jill aka Jo: Andromeda: Rhadesireesanwar on April 21st, 2016 08:25 pm (UTC)
That is true. I know that. I think confused things. And honestly, I liked that Murtagh threatened the Duke because he totally deserved it. I just meant I would have liked to see Jamie's reaction to Alex rather than the way they did it.
Kaylee Winchesterroguem on April 22nd, 2016 10:10 am (UTC)
I agree with those who felt episode 2 was a bit rushed.
Mary wasn't a ward of Louise in the books was she? Wasn't she connected to Sandringham somehow?
I was kind of disappointed we didn't get the reaction from Jamie that was in the books upon seeing Alex. I feel that would have packed bigger punch all around.
siobhan63siobhan63 on April 24th, 2016 12:37 pm (UTC)
She wasn't a ward of Louise's. In the book, she is staying with her uncle Silas, who's a merchant based in Paris. Claire does meet her at Louise's, but Mary isn't living there.

Later in the book, when the action returns to Scotland, Claire is "rescued" by some English troops and brought to Sandringham's estate in England, where it turns out, Mary is also staying. I can't recall the details of why Mary is at Sandringham's, but either way, she escapes with Claire when Jamie comes to rescue her.
Kaylee Winchester: Supernatural - Dean Smileroguem on April 26th, 2016 11:32 am (UTC)
Ah, yes I remember that last bit.
Jill aka Josireesanwar on May 5th, 2016 06:48 pm (UTC)
Totally agree and actually in the books Mary was more with her father who played a role in everything.
Kaylee Winchesterroguem on May 14th, 2016 02:00 pm (UTC)
Yes, that's what I thought I remembered.
Jo Ann: Rob: Whatever GIFyeuxdebleu on April 24th, 2016 05:20 am (UTC)
I'm just wondering if 1.46 million viewers will be enough to get another season. Seems like a very low number to me.

I liked the first episode, but didn't care much for the second.
siobhan63siobhan63 on April 24th, 2016 12:40 pm (UTC)
There's a chart on this site that has the ratings for each episode of season 1. If that's anything to go by, season 2 is doing quite well!


Jill aka Josireesanwar on May 5th, 2016 06:51 pm (UTC)
If Outlander were on NBC, ABC, or any of the major networks it would have been canceled with those number but on premium or even a cable network those are high numbers.

And so far Season Two's Premiere is the highest rated episode of Outlander and it would see the episodes are staying above the 1.10 million viewer mark which is already better than the first season meaning... I see a third season in our future.