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September 19 2016 @ 11:47 am
Favourite Character (other than Jamie-Claire)  
This is sort of inspired by my earlier post asking about the Lord John novels because a few people noted that Lord John was actually their favourite character. I guess it's sort of assumed that everyone's favourite character is Jamie-Claire (it's seems like one should consider them a single entity), but is that the case? If your favourite character really is Jamie-Claire, who is your favourite non Jamie-Claire character? If Diana ever wanted to start a new line of spin-off novels similar to the Lord John Grey books, whose adventures would you like to read about in more detail?

Alternatively -- which character(s) do you with she'd just kill off (or had never created in the first place) because you really can't stand them?
Eumel: just go to bed!eumelkeks on September 19th, 2016 07:35 pm (UTC)
This is kind of side-stepping your questions but I wish she hadn't killed off Black Jack Randall so early. No new villain is quite as formidable as Black Jack. Although the Duke of Sandringham was quite entertaining and devious. Come to think of it, the two of them together were amazing villains, although a bit too much of the trope of villainous homosexual.

That aside, I am boring. Claire and Jamie are my favourites, though it's probably Jamie who has the edge. I think that's because we get to know Jamie through Claire and share Claire's/Gabaldon's fascination with and admiration for him. I would probably like to read more about Claire's inner conflicts, her war years etc. if that didn't also mean knowing more about Frank.

If I had to pick another character I'd like to read about it's a tie between Master Raymond and Geillis.

Confession time: I have not read further than Drums of Autumn because I don't want to read more about Brienne. [Spoiler (click to open)]I think I lost any sympathy I had for her first when she arrogantly decided that she didn't need a male companion on a hazardous sea voyage that was taking several weeks and second, when she threatened to expose Lord John as a pervert if he didn't agree to marry her. I just cannot deal with what I consider her arrogant entitlement. I do not want her to die because clearly she doesn't deserve death for being an entitled brat, and it would also hurt Jamie and Claire, but I would prefer for her not to become such a central character.
siobhan63siobhan63 on September 20th, 2016 01:50 pm (UTC)
I think you should give the other books a go -- Bree matures beautifully, I think. She's a dynamo in book 8! Totally love her.
Eumel: which witch?eumelkeks on September 20th, 2016 03:31 pm (UTC)
I have been tempted to download the next book every time Amazon sends me reminders that it indeed exists and don't I want to read it? Yes, I kind of do! But I also enjoy where Gabaldon left it at the end of book four - everyone is together and kind of happy. And there is a terrifyingly huge pile of books that I must read and another pile of books I would like to read and I am trying to be reasonable about my literary cravings. /first world problems/ Let's see how long good intentions will last!
siobhan63siobhan63 on September 20th, 2016 03:35 pm (UTC)
First world problems, indeed!

Interestingly, your comments about Bree being arrogant and an entitled brat got me thinking that both of Jamie's kids turned out that way. William's attitude and behaviour often made me want to slap him! So if you weren't enamoured by Bree in the early books, you'll probably not be too impressed by William either...
Eumel: dark wingseumelkeks on September 20th, 2016 04:58 pm (UTC)
[Spoiler (click to open)]I'm not as bothered by William's antics because he wasn't brought up by Claire and he is not their child, if that makes sense. He's also had some actual tragedy in his life - stability there was none. If at all, I blame Lord John for failing to teach his son about hubris. Bree, on the other hand, had the benefit of having two (mostly) rational, loving parents in Frank and Claire and she's got another father at twenty. Although Jamie can be reckless, he is rarely ever headless or thoughtless or at least an eye on the big picture. Everyone is always saying how much Bree is like her father but I tend to think that rushing in without thinking is more her mother's style.
caitri: bookscaitri on September 19th, 2016 07:42 pm (UTC)
I really, really liked Roger and Bree in the earlier books, but found I got really disenchanted with them later on (after book 5). I also thought Fergus was an interesting character that sort of got dropped later on.

Watching the show actually had me reconsidering a number of characters. In the books I rather hated Frank, but I find Menzies' interpretation of the character incredibly sympathetic, especially in "Both Sides Now" and "Through a Glass, Darkly." It makes me kind of hope that Gabaldon might one day write his story in one of the novellas she does sometimes. I also really like the tv show's version of Murtagh, esp. as his pseudo-father position to Jamie that's hinted at but never as fully demonstrated in the books, and I hope he gets to stick around for season 3...
Eumel: eggcellenteumelkeks on September 19th, 2016 07:49 pm (UTC)
I fully agree with you on Murtagh. I would so love for him to be in series three! Strangely enough, I haven't been able to come round to like show!Frank, even though the show's portrayal is so much more sympathetic.
Jill aka Jo: Outlander: Louise laughingsireesanwar on September 19th, 2016 07:48 pm (UTC)
So my favorites are Jamie and then Claire but if we are going after that... Young Ian. I love him. The way he puts things... the nuances of his character. I would love to read about him going forward.

[Spoiler (click to open)]In actuality, I would love if DG would continue after Jamie and Claire with some of Jenny's children which would be mostly Young Ian for me and Bree and Roger's family and also I think Fergus and Marsali. They've all been through so much so I want to know how things go for them all.

But if it was a Rachel and Ian story I'd be okay. I love them both.

Who would I want to just go away.... hmmm... that is a hard one. In some regards Lord John and his extended family but not really. I mean the 8th book had a lot of them but I didn't hate it. John isn't my favorite but in the 8th book I enjoyed Dottie and Denny and I liked Hal and John working together. I mean over all I don't need that much of John and Hal so I guess that would be my choice but in reality I don't know that I disliked anyone but Frank and BJR enough to want them completely gone.

Edited at 2016-09-19 07:49 pm (UTC)
wings128: Outlander!s2wings128 on September 19th, 2016 10:59 pm (UTC)
I tend to lean more towards the knowledgable sidekick role as my favourites, especially in books. So, Murtagh, young Ian, Gellie (to start with), Mrs Fitz, research Roger, Jenny. The ones that bring life to the world in which the hero/heroine is strolling through.
Jill aka Josireesanwar on September 28th, 2016 07:09 pm (UTC)
Good answer. I loved Murtagh in the books too. I liked Duncan when he was Jamie's sidekick.
Artemiscrsg on September 20th, 2016 01:22 am (UTC)
I haven't read the books but based on the TV series, I adore Fergus. He's just so very earnest and protective, the latter quality of which might have annoyed me in an adult (like maybe it would come across as patronizing, condescending or smothering), but which really works for me in a child character.
M: Jamie Fraserella_rose88 on September 21st, 2016 11:12 am (UTC)
Same here, I've not read the books yet (I plan to just haven't gotten around to it), but I adore Fergus. I agree that if an adult acted like he did it would be annoying but it works because Fergus is a child. I really like how Jamie and Claire take him under their wings and he becomes like a son to them. I hope we'll see more of Fergus!
impala1967impala1967 on September 20th, 2016 07:00 am (UTC)
Fergus and Murtagh are the two I would love to ead more about
siobhan63siobhan63 on September 20th, 2016 01:49 pm (UTC)
In some ways, like most people, Jamie and Claire are my favourite characters since the series centres on them, but I find myself sort of losing interest in them.

I find Jamie and Claire together increasingly dull as the books progress. I find both of them more interesting when they're apart. In particular, Jamie's chapters without Claire are far more interesting. I increasingly really hate seeing him through Claire's POV. I am not sure why, maybe it's Diana's constantly fixating on his physical description (after 8 books, we get it -- you don't need to describe him down to the last scar every single effin' time). But Jamie viewed by Claire is boring Jamie. He's much more interesting on his own, or viewed by others, e.g. Roger. I really like Roger's thoughts and assessments of Jamie.

That said, I really love Brianna by book 8, and Brianna and Roger together. I think their chapters in the last few books were by far my favourite parts, esp. in book 8. I also really love Rachel and Ian.

If Diana were to do another spin-off series, I would love to read about Frank's wartime experience as an intelligence officer, as well read about what he went through after Claire vanished. The one short story Diana wrote featuring Frank during the war was really good. And I'd like his POV of what it was like when Claire came back. Seeing him through Claire's POV -- he can't win. She's biased against him, doesn't want to be with him, etc. She's not particularly likeable in those chapters, which is why I'd like to see the other side of things - Frank's side.
Jill aka Jo: Outlander: Some Like It Scotsireesanwar on September 28th, 2016 07:12 pm (UTC)
Really? I hate when they are apart. I love their natural fit. They are so comfortable with each other and that is the best part for me. But it is true that other people's view of Jamie is more interesting. Roger's conception of Jamie is always fun from beginning until later in the series.

Here here. I love Roger and Bree in book 8 and I adore Ian and Rachel.

I wouldn't mind seeing Frank's side but I can't say I'll like him more. When ever they stumble upon something new about Frank.... I still dislike him.
M: Claire/Jamie - kiss (1x07)ella_rose88 on September 21st, 2016 11:07 am (UTC)
I've not read the books yet (though I have the first two sitting on my shelf), but a part from Janie and Claire, I love Jenny, Fergus and Murtagh. There my favourite characters apart from the main two.

Honestly, while Tobias is a great actor I don't really like Frank too much. I actually prefer Black Jack (though he's an evil bastard). So Frank bring dead in season 2's finale didn't bother me. [Spoiler (click to open)]But I have feeling Frank will be in flashbacks which won't bother me too much because I'm interested in seeing pregnant Claire.

Edited at 2016-09-21 11:09 am (UTC)