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August 28 2017 @ 08:36 am
Game of Thrones General Discussion - Season 7 Finale (ep 7)  

Summary: If episode 1 of this shortened season consisted largely of setting up all the relevant chess pieces into position for their opening gambit for the rest of the season, then the finale could be summed up as setting up all the relevant chess pieces into position for their opening gambit -- for the next (and final) season. I will put the rest behind a cut.

After all of the action-packed episodes we've had, this one was mostly a lot of talking. We begin with the pow-wow in the Dragon Pit at King's Landing, the meeting between Dany, Jon and Cersei as Dany and Jon try to convince Cersei of the real threat to all of them coming from the North, and seekng a truce in their smaller battles in order to deal with the larger threat. Cersei remains unconvinced -- it's obviously a trap. Then the Hound releases the captured wight who lunges at Cersei -- stopped short only by the chain around his neck. The Hound chops off various bits of the wight to demonstrate that conventional means won't kill them. (Side note: anyone else notice Qyburn's creepy fascination with the moving corpse parts?) Jon then demonstrates what will kill the buggers -- fire and dragon glass. Cersei has a change of heart and agrees to the truce -- on one condition -- that Jon pledge neutrality in the following battle between Cersei and Dany. Jon, honest to a fault, admits that he cannot give that pledge as he has already bent the knee to Dany. Cersei withdraws her offer of a truce and leaves the meeting.

Tyrion meets with his sister to plead the case. He is, it seems, successful, as Cersei returns to the Dragon Pit and informs Dany that the Lannister forces will join the cause. Later, we see Jaime in the map room with other military types plotting where the Lannister forces will go to meet up with the other troops. Cersei asks him what he is doing and then reveals that she has no intention of sending troops north. Jaime is outraged and says there is no way they can defeat Dany's army and dragons. Cersei tells him that Euron Greyjoy is, as they speak, enroute to Essos to pick up the Golden Company, and that the dragons are obviously vulnerable -- Dany brought only two with her, meaning something had happened to the third. Jaime is furious and says he will ride north as promised. Cersei threatens to kill him, but can't quite seem to do it, and we last see Jaime riding alone to the North.

While all of this plotting is going on in the South, up at Winterfell, we have our own plotting and manoeuvring. Sansa receives a raven informing her that Jon has bent the knee to Dany. She is upset, and Littlefinger takes advantage of the situation to sow further seeds of mistrust between Sansa and Arya, skillfully leading Sansa to the conclusion that Arya obviously wants to be lady of Winterfell. Sansa summons Arya to the Great Hall. Bran is there, as is Littlefinger. Sansa gives a speech about how honor demands that she defend her family from those who would hurt it. “You stand accused of muder, you stand accused of treason. How do you answer these charges.. LORD BAELISH?” (Yessssssssssssssss!!!!!!!) Sansa goes through the long list of the many things Baelish did that hurt/undermined the Starks. Littlefinger ends up on his knees begging for mercy. Arya calmly steps up behind him and quickly slices his throat. Buh bye Baelish! (Most satisfying death of the season).

Still at Winterfell, Sam Tarly arrives, has a sit down with Bran and the two of them put Jon's lineage together. We also find out Jon's real name was meant to be Aegon (meh). And while that is happening, Jon and his aunty Dany are doing the horizontal nasty on the boat taking them north.

Finally, Bran is out by the godswood and through his warging eyes, we see what is happening at the Wall. The Ice Army is there, and IceViserion, ridden by the Night King, lays waste to the Wall with his icy blue flame thing. And the Ice Army begins its march south of the Wall...

(Also boring side plot involving Theon deciding to rescue Yara from Euron and regaining the respect of what's left of her men mostly because he can resist being kicked in his (non-existent) balls.)

siobhan63: powerpuffmesiobhan63 on August 29th, 2017 01:47 pm (UTC)
I've seen so much complaining about this season of GofT online -- it was too rushed, it had plot holes/some of the plot was too silly (the plan to capture a wight), etc. Well, I am very happy with this season. I loved it. And this was a great finale -- well-paced, focused, lots of lovely smaller details/interactions between major (and minor) characters...

The most satisfying bit for me was Baelish having the tables turned on him. That whole plot line was handled so well -- I didn't want to think that Sansa was actually being swayed by him, but at times during the season, I thought maybe he was succeeding. Then to have the three Stark siblings pull the rug right out from under him, catching him completely off-guard -- beautiful.

While the Starks were coming together, the Lannisters were falling apart. It was also satisfying to see Jaime finally realize/accept that Cersei no longer deserved his support. I wasn't truly surprised by her duplicity after apparently convincing Tyrion that she would provide troops, but still...

Also, I've seen some speculation online that maybe Tyrion joined Cersei in that deception, but I don't think so. This is based largely on the shots of him skulking about outside of Dany's chamber on the ship while Jon and Dany are being intimate. Some are speculating that he's plotting against Dany for Cersei, but after the way Cersei treated him over the years, I can't for the life of me see Tyrion joining forces with her. I think it's maybe more of a case of slight jealousy -- he probably had a bit of a crush on Dany himself, and maybe also concern because romantic involvement between Jon and Dany might likely complicate things. And even if Tyrion had decided to team up with Cersei, I'm pretty sure that once he finds out Jaime has abandoned her, he'd ditch the bitch.

So Jon's real name is Aegon. That will take some major getting used to.

And now we know what ice dragons breathe. Whatever it was, it seemed to pulverize the Wall rather than melt it, as fire would do. I really hope Tormund survived.

On the whole, the only real surprise in this episode was Baelish's demise. Everything else that happened had been largely hinted at, or built up to, so didn't really come as a surprise. But that didn't matter -- it was still a most excellent episode.

Jill aka Jo: GOT: Dany with a whispersireesanwar on August 29th, 2017 09:51 pm (UTC)
I have loved this season and everyone who think otherwise is just wrong. LOL

Baelish having the tables turned on him was so great. I was jumping up and down. It was just spectacular. ANd I love that Sansa and Arya really played them together and while it wasn't clear I think Bran told them everything Baelish did. Oh I loved it.

When Cersei said she would provide the troops I literally said to the tv... "she's lying." They could have told her the Army of the Dead was only coming to kill the Lannisters and she still wouldn't help them.

I would chalk up Tyrion outside her bedroom to being jealous rather than duplicitous. He wouldn't team up with Cersei. I think he thinks things will go bad if Jon and Dany are together.

I wonder if when Jon knows if he'll switch names or just go by Jon. Did you find it odd that Bran didn't know Rhaeal and Lyanna were married?

I do too. I'm actually hoping Brienne gets together with him. I love that he's totally enamored with her.

Viserion's breathing ice fire or whatever it was... nuts. That was freaky.

I wasn't surprised by the Dany/Jon thing but even if I like that they like each other it was still gross because of their relation to each other.
siobhan63: powerpuffmesiobhan63 on August 30th, 2017 01:19 pm (UTC)
I find it funny that people still get weirded out by the incest thing because it's been such a central part of the show from the start (and book 1), plus it's a fictional world that obviously doesn't follow our norms, plus, that sort of thing was totally what was done among royals up until the last century in our own reality -- they were always marrying cousins and whatnot.

Anyway, out of curiosity, I had a look at the Wikipedia page on incest and aunt/nephew sex is totally OK in a hell of a lot of countries -- including Canada.

As for Bran not knowing that Rhaegal and Lyanna were married, I figure he's sort of still figuring out how the whole "3-eyed raven sight" thing works. He can see things in the past, obviously, but unless he knows to go look for a specific event, he wouldn't necessarily just randomly see it, maybe? And when he saw the bit in the previous season about Jon being born to Lyanna -- wasn't he guided on that vision by the previous 3-Eyed Crow -- probably because it was important for Bran to know at least that about Jon, so it was shown to him. But he wouldn't necessarily know to go looking for more than that, until being told that there was more to the story.

Edited at 2017-08-30 01:20 pm (UTC)
Jill aka Josireesanwar on September 7th, 2017 08:51 pm (UTC)
Cousins yeah but siblings. Aunt and nephew. And that was royalty and their crazy belief in pure lineage. I think it is rather gross personally.

Ick. Just ick.

I guess that makes sense. I got to wondering about it and I think I came up with the same conclusion.
Jill aka Jo: Books: Girl on bookssireesanwar on August 29th, 2017 10:01 pm (UTC)
I did notice how intrigued Qyburn was about the dead. I wonder if he's going to be tinkering in the break and come up with something for Cersei.

I honestly expected Cersei to try to have Jaime killed and have him either win or kill her instead. I wish.

So the knife that killed Baelish started this whole thing?

I have to admit I didn't care about Theon. I kind of hope he dies saving Yara.