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September 19 2017 @ 05:36 pm
Episode Discuss: 302 Surrender  
Surrender opens at Lallybroch were the Captain Samuel Lewis is demanding to know the whereabouts of the Dunbonnet or Red Jamie as he believes they are one and the same. Ian feigns ignorance and is arrested for his troubles.

Meanwhile, Jamie is living in the woods near Lallybroch looking wild and unkempt with long hair and a beard. Jamie comes into the dooryard with a dead deer on his shoulders and sees Claire but it is only a mirage. Jenny turns startled and leads him into the house. It becomes evident that Jamie’s exuberant and passionate nature had dimmed with the loss of Claire.

Back in 1950s Boston, Claire wakes from a passionate dream startled. Next to her lies Frank but she keeps seeing Jamie. Later, Claire puts baby Bree in her playpen to read the paper and looks up when Brianna cries. Claire realizes Brianna turned over by herself, a month early according to Doctor Spock. Frank, whose shower was cut short because of the boiler, is also suitably impressed by Brianna. Claire and Frank share a moment but Frank goes off to check the boiler.

Back in the woods, Jamie is cleaning fish in his cave when Fergus brings him the gun he found earlier in the dove cote. He wants Jamie to teach him to shoot but Jamie tells him to put it back where he found it. Fergus accuses Jamie of being a coward but Jamie just ignores Fergus and goes on cleaning fish.

Later, Jamie comes back to the house to help Jenny with the estate ledgers but discovers her in labor. Outside, the boys (Young Jamie, Fergus and Rabbie) see a raven has landed on the house gate and Fergus runs to get the gun. He shoots and kills the raven but the shot is heard all over the area and there are Redcoats afoot.

Jamie goes to see Jenny and the baby after the birth and is holding the baby when the Redcoat burst into the house in search of the weapon. Jamie hides in another room trying to keep wee Ian quite as Captain Lewis interrogates Jenny in her bed. When Lewis asks where the baby is, Jenny tells him it died and the midwife took the body to be clean for burial. Lewis is about to insist to see the body when Mary McNab burst in with the gun and gives it to Lewis saying it was her husbands and she kept it to remember him. She shot the raven hoping to protect the baby but failed.

In the 1950s, Claire reaches out to Frank and tells him she misses her husband (I believe that means Jamie).

In the past, Ferus leads the redcoats through the forest away from Jamie’s cave but teasing them. They catch up to him and one particularly horrible officer has Fergus held down while he chops off Fergus’s hand. Another officer doesn’t want to leave him but our sword wielding fiend pulls rank and they leave Fergus. Jamie rushes out of the woods, applies a tunicate and takes Fergus to Lallybroch.

Jamie visits Fergus who is happy Jenny is plying him with whisky and reminds Jamie that should he lose a hand in his service Jamie is to take care of him the rest of his life. Fergus jokes he is now a man of leisure. Jamie can’t help but smile at the boy.

In the future, Claire and Frank are hosting a dinner party for their neighbors. When the neighbors leave Claire and Frank chat about their guests. Claire is being flirtatious and takes of her underwear in front of Frank. Frank and Claire get hot and heavy and while in the middle of having sex Frank realizes Claire’s eyes are closed. He insists she opens them which ruins the mood. Frank then accuses Claire of being with Jamie when she’s actually with him.

Meanwhile, Jamie comes to a decision; he wants Jenny to turn him in for the reward money. Ian tells them they probably won’t hang him but imprison Jamie. Jenny refuses but Jamie convinces her.

Later, back in the cave, Mary shows up with food. Mary cuts Jamie’s hair and shaves him. Jamie tells her to return the books to Lallybroch and burn the rest. He goes out to wash up and returns to find Mary in her shift offering herself to him. Jamie thinks Jenny sent her but Mary says it doesn’t matter. Jamie tells her it won’t happen but Mary tells him she knows what he had with Claire and she’s not trying to bring that back, only give him something to hold on to. Jamie and she kiss and we assume they had sex.

Back in the future, we see Claire off to Harvard Medical School where the professor isn’t impressed he has a woman and a black man (he didn’t say that). Claire takes a seat well away from the men who show her distain. The black student, Joe Abernathy, the professor mentioned asks to sit next to her and they are instantly friendly.

Back at Lallybroch circa the past, Jamie walks into the dooryard like he’s only just returning home. Jenny watches as the redcoats arrest him and Jamie protests that she betrayed him but Jenny calls him a traitor. Lewis gives her the gold and Jamie is hauled off to prison.

In the future, Claire walks the campus and stops to give money to a musician playing the bagpipes.

Share your thoughts on Surrender.

siobhan63: powerpuffmesiobhan63 on September 20th, 2017 10:35 am (UTC)
The episdoe titles -- 301 was The Battle Joined, and 302 Surrender. So in 301, we had Jamie and Claire metaphorically battling to survive -- joining the fight to simply live/stay alive (Jamie) and to build a new life (Claire and also Frank). In 302, they've surrendered in many ways. Jamie lives, but he isn't truly alive. He's lost his culture and his family -- Claire, obviously, but also in many ways his immediate family because his presence endangers them. Claire and Frank meanwhile have surrendered to the realization that they can't make things work between them. Frank surrenders to the realization that he's lost her -- he still wants her, but not the way she is now; Claire was willing to pretend with him for her own needs, but gives up on that as well. So everyone has surrendered to their situation and finds a way to move forward.

Another very strong episode for Sam Heughan as Jamie -- who still manages to say so much with very little actual dialogue. Sam conveyed beautifully the depths of Jamie's emptiness and loss.

Most heart-breaking lines: Claire, when she turns to Frank in bed to initiate sex and says to him "I miss my husband" (because we all know which husband she's missing -- sorry Frank); and Ian, when he is explaining how he still feel pains from his missing leg, and Fergus will likely always feel pain from his missing hand, and then says to Jamie "Claire was your heart." Runner-up goes to Frank when he tells Claire "When I'm with you, I'm with you. When you're with me, you're with him."

I thought this episode did brilliantly at driving home the impact/effect both Claire's and Jamie's pining for each other was having on those around them.

Also,I'm bracing for all the Frank haters complaining about 2 Claire-Frank sex scenes...

I can understand why they opted to give Mary McNab more prominence in the show. I'll likely discuss this more in the other thread.

Fergus! And his voice has dropped! As much as I am eagerly looking forward to seeing César Domboy take on the role of adult Fergus, I will miss Romann Berrux terribly. He's been wonderful in that role. Plus it was sweet to hear him use Scottish words like "bairn" when speaking. Romann Berrux as Fergus was really, really good in this episode. He echoed Murtagh at times, you could feel his pain at having been abandoned by the only real parents he'd known -- Claire and Jamie. Especially the loss of Jamie -- who while still physically present, was completely absent. Yet it is Fergus who brings Jamie back.

And kudos have to go to Steven Cree and Laura Donnelly (Ian and Jenny Murray). Donnelly is always so strong in her portrayal of Jenny, but in this episode, she really shines. It was her hurt and tears at the very end of the episode, when she's turned Jamie in to the British, that had me tearing up.

It was really good to hear Claire's voice-over again near the end of the episode.

Joe Abernathy!!! I hope we see way more of Joe Abernathy in the next few episodes. Also, was I the only one sort of surprised by how he pronounced his last name? I've always read it as A-bernathy -- with the emphasis on the first syllable. In the show it was pronounced Aber-NAthy -- with the emphasis on the 3rd syllable. Not that it matters much -- I'm sure there will be bigger debate over how to pronounce Marsali's name...

I've seen a fair number of comments on social media (Twitter) from "fans" bitching about how "no one" cares about this stuff -- just get Claire and Jamie back together, and that baffles me. You can't expect two people to be apart for 20 years and then get back together and be just like they were. Look how Claire is for Frank after only 3 years away! I figure most of the people who make these sorts of comments are not book readers, but man, I just want to slap them. Honestly -- the 20 years apart could have been a standalone season given how much happens to both during those years. But undoubtedly, a significant portion of the fanbase would not have tolerated that at all.

Edited at 2017-09-20 12:04 pm (UTC)
Jill aka Josireesanwar on September 20th, 2017 06:22 pm (UTC)
Frank is bothering me. Not even considering book Frank he seems a little of a jerk. I know that sounds harsh considering Claire disappeared on him (unintentional as it was) and ended up married and in love with another man.

But Frank has given her what 1 year to be completely over Jamie and moving on? Claire was clearly having trouble with that 6 months in when she was pregnant in the last episode. She essentially lost a husband. And then Bree is about 6 months old and Claire is trying. Yes, she maybe reaching out for Jamie but I feel like Frank isn't doing that much to bring Claire back to the present.

Frank needs to be with her, woo her back. He claims to know Claire but he's all demands and ultimatums. Instead of just accusing her of closing her eyes to see Jamie, get her to open them and look at you. Be with her... make her see you and maybe some of that Jamie-itis will subside a bit.

Granted it seems to me their marriage is a lost cause but it also seems to me Frank doesn't really know Claire and never has.

BUT I'm still upset at Claire for using Frank as a substitute too.
Jill aka Jo: Outlander: 1743 Clairesireesanwar on September 20th, 2017 06:29 pm (UTC)
Sam did an amazing job of it all. He's so great. And more and more I feel like he is Jamie... granted not the one in my head but Jamie nonetheless.

Clearly Ian gets the level of love Jamie and Claire had because he has a million kids with Jenny. I feel like the moment he tells Jamie "Claire was your heart." he's also saying. I get it man. I'd die if I lost Jenny. So good.

Fergus's hand. I mean that whole part just wasn't as good as I expected. It seemed extreme that MacGregor would cut his hand off for the taunting. Evil! But Fergus being a man of leisure. You adorable scamp!

I actually enjoyed Mary's part. Really liked it.

I love that Fergus is the one who ultimately gets to Jamie.

Jenny telling Jamie she'd never forgive him. I loved how it conveyed to the redcoats Jamie being a traitor but to everyone else and us how hurt she was to have to be the one to turn him over. Jamie's face... the shock and knowing he'd really hurt Jenny.

I was so sad that Joe was only a moment but hopefully we'll see him more in the next two episodes. I'm so excited because I love Joe!

What kills me is they want the instant gratification of instant reunion but this is good tv the way it is. You can change perfection.
siobhan63: powerpuffmesiobhan63 on September 20th, 2017 06:38 pm (UTC)
I have to say that for me, one of the best things the show has done over the books is make Jamie more realistic. I can't really take book!Jamie seriously -- he's too perfect. No one is like that in real life. He's a unicorn. He's almost annoying at times. But the show has given us a more realistic, human Jamie, and that's a good thing, because if he was just like in the books, I'd want to slap him every 5 minutes.

So major kudos to Sam and all the writers and directors for toning down Diana's Jamie excesses.

Edited at 2017-09-20 06:39 pm (UTC)
Jill aka Jo: Outlander: J&C close b&wsireesanwar on September 20th, 2017 06:44 pm (UTC)
See I've never thought of Book Jamie as perfect. I've always seen his flaws. But I do like the version we get minus the one in Episode 112 Lallybroch where he was an ass when he came home. That to me was unrealistic of the thinker Jamie is.